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Diablo-D3: btw, I dont
think
the winklevosses exist
mircea_popescu: noaccess when you say "we have winklevoss" exactgly what do
tyou mean ?
Scrat: GL even finding
the slightest hint of structure in it
Scrat: the "broken rng" in question is
the hmac of sha512
Diablo-D3: when you can do probabilities on
the next dice roll due
to a broken RNG
Scrat: Diablo-D3 falling victim
to
the gamblers fallacy? lol
Diablo-D3: I'm not going
to
tell you how successful
that was, of course.
Scrat: tiberius: im not saying
that he did. but he said
that he cant which is false
Diablo-D3: (thus allowing you
to bet larger amounts during favorable conditions)
Snookers: Chsados everyone and
their mother knows mpex was always a boiler room..
Diablo-D3: (which allows you
to do probabilities on
the next roll)
noaccess: While I personally lost my ass every
time I even
thought about satoshi dice both as a player and investor, it has occured
to me
that
this is a very big milestone for bitcoin. Satoshi Dice was
the draw for bitcoin early on along with SR. Now we have Winklevoss and a bunch of guys still
talking about how yesterday's dice site might be a scam.
Diablo-D3: they had a flaw in
the original RNG
Diablo-D3: Scrat: yes, but
the secret isnt in
the 256 bit space
Diablo-D3: SD will reply with a win no matter which
tx makes it into
the chain
Scrat: no point in unknown secrets
thats a 256 bit space, fucks sake
Diablo-D3: but with unknown secrets you flood
the network with all possible
tx permutations
Scrat: aka
the server operator
Scrat: im fucking
talking about known secrets here
chsados_: and
the amount of insider
trading is stupid
Diablo-D3: using unknown secrets, its largely
the same difficulty
chsados_: eric V just screwed
the pooch!
Diablo-D3: using known secrets (not
their secrets
though)
Scrat: Diablo-D3: wat are you for real? for a 50% you need at most 2-3
tries
Diablo-D3: and I dont
think you can gpu
this problem
Diablo-D3: you just need a lot of computation power for
that
Scrat: thats what im
trying
to say
Namworld: No Erik was not. I mean
the new buyer(s)
Diablo-D3: yeah, you just write a program
that brute forces
the
tx
Scrat: I mean if you know
the secrets
Diablo-D3: Scrat: I need more context.
tx for what?
Scrat: or well, whoever is holding
the secrets (someone has
to upload
them
to
the server)
Snookers: Namworld
they didn't and voorhees was not
the only owner he was
the main public shill
Scrat: that erik can cheat by signing
txids until
they win (since he knows
the secrets)
Snookers: Plus it was smarter for voorhees
to leave before he got busted
Scrat: they'll probably have
to release new secrets
ChaangNoi: yeah, but he can cheat, you
think he can right?
Namworld: No, he mean Evoorhees could have cheated
the shareholders by making winning bets, since he knows
the secret.
ChaangNoi: but scrat seems
to
think
the new owner can cheat, right?
Namworld: The only
trust required is if you're a shareholder.
Snookers: Erik didn't know
the outcomes scrat
Namworld: Since ChaangNoi was commenting about if
the new owner was
trustable
ChaangNoi: scrat i
thought it had been shown before
ChaangNoi: wonder who
the new buyer is, wonder if
they can be
trusted
Namworld: There's no
trust needed for players
Namworld: No, I
think what evoorhees meant was, people won't have
to
trust
the operator because
the user already know
the hash of
the secret and sign
their own
transaction.
Scrat: if you don't believe me lets ask someone who knows wtf he's
talking about (technically)
jcpham: i like
to defraud and lie
ChaangNoi: i find it odd erik would just lie,
then leave :/
ChaangNoi: so he has access
to
the correct number or whatever right?
Scrat: ChaangNoi | i
thought you were able
to know
the key, and could figure out winning bets?
Scrat: the fact
that he's lying about it, well lol
Scrat: sign a
transaction (theres a random component
to
the ECDSA signing), see if it wins
evoorhees: Anyway guys, in all seriousness, I hope
those of you who were shareholders feel decent about
the outcome. It was hell
to get it.
ChaangNoi: i
thought you were able
to know
the key, and could figure out winning bets?
ThickAsThieves: if
the new buyer doesnt IPO
the site,
then
there's no more risk of accusations about whaling
evoorhees: Any chance of reversing
the ones you made prior
that were
to mine? ;)
parseval: Any chance of you reversing a few bets I made
today
to my detriment? ;) J/k
evoorhees: SD doesn't rely on having any
trust in
the operator of
the site...
that's
the whole point
ChaangNoi: evoorhees since
the new owner can know
the winning key, is
the new owner
trustable?
ChaangNoi: erik will
the new buyer be made public soonish?
Namworld: evoorhees,
there's just no point arguing. You should know by now.
evoorhees: I
think you haven't quite
thought
the mechanics of
that
through
ThickAsThieves: if we're running with
the pump n dump
theory it's impossible
to be a wash
jcpham: only in
the foot
though
jcpham: althought i may shoot
trendon if i see him
dub: what happened
to railing blow off a hooker in
thailand (with pirate)
evoorhees: ... you do realize
that revenue of all IPO shares (including later
tranches) - cost of paying back @ .0035 means it's a wash from my perspective, don't you?
Namworld: And
the whales were you playing
to
then sell
those slices.
evoorhees: yes some also
think I inflated all
the numbers with fake whales and all manner of manipulation
Namworld: evoorhees, it's more
to do with
the slices
that were sold much higher. It was supposed
to be from private investors I
think. But some
think it was your shares.
dub: you found quite a sucker
there erik
gribble: A market order
to sell 126315 bitcoins right now would net 8651985.2652 USD and would
take
the last price down
to 45.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 68.4953 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0038 seconds
Namworld: It only state dividends in
the contract, not buyback.
evoorhees: dub - please explain
the logic of a pump and dump in which investors are paid back roughly what
they paid at IPO plus 9 months of >20% APR dividends
Namworld: Topace, do you
take a fee on a buyout?
Namworld: Buyout?
That's not a dividend. No fees.
ThickAsThieves: this asset
termination will be distributed in full without any fee
taken. "