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fractal: jorash: It wouldn't 'doom' the coin, but since there would be no more block rewards, who would mine blocks for 0.1 BTC fees?
ThickAsThieves: jorash it just doesnt work the way you want
mircea_popescu: this notion that getting the public involved is good is just about the stupidest thing ever.
jorash: I'm asking this question because I've got mixed reponse for people. They think increasing quickly to 21m would doom the coin, I tihnk it would be healthy since it would drop the price and allow many new buyers to get in cheap, which is a long term benefit for coin
fractal: at what price? they're worth around 0.1
JimmyJazz: Good evening I purchase 10 TAT.ASICMINER shares.. wooooooooooooooo
Rulother: fractal, I've made up my mind, but I don't take part in bitbet. Or betting in general.
fractal: jorash: buyers like me would put up a bid wall at $0.0001 for all the coins, if they tried to sell them all at market
jorash: micea, thats my favcorite answer
ThickAsThieves: jorash is the guy who had me asking similar questions the other day
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves whatever answer jorash wants, the answer jorash gets is, go and tell thy masters that bitcoin is here, bitcoin is forever, and the only thing changing is them.
jorash: (I'm with a startup planning to do this)
ThickAsThieves: thats not the answer jorash wants mp
jorash: mircea, say the same thing happened to all cryptos
mircea_popescu: within a few months ltc would trade to btc just like btc trades to ltc now.
fractal: jorash: the price would drop until they were all bought, then rise up instantly
mircea_popescu: 'd move to ltc and ignore btc thenceforth.
jorash: some amount below the market price
mircea_popescu: if 1 entity sells all the bitcoin then the network is doomed.
fractal: and what was the asking price?
jorash: 1 entity though yes, via exchanges
Rulother: fractal, I've been here just over hearing all the ramblings.
fractal: jorash: who is the seller? 1 entity?
jorash: put into circulation meaning all remaining coins were mined instantly, and then sold en masse for cheap
fractal: i think he means distributed evently
ThickAsThieves: how they got there
ThickAsThieves: you are ignoring the more important point
fractal: jorash: all else being equal, the exchange rate would drop in half. thats about the only thing that would happen
jorash: I'd like some input from you guys... what do you think would happen if all 21m BC were put into circulation tomorrow? Would people abandon btc altogether
Rulother: hah thanks
mircea_popescu: fractal yea, Rulother is the chief updates officer on that one.
mircea_popescu: who through they were daytraders.
fractal: any updates on this bet? http://bitbet.us/bet/520/bitfury-eu-august-orders-will-ship-before-1st/
mircea_popescu: lol tat with the last 10 btc on gox, just to troll ppl
ThickAsThieves: idc if the price runs up
matuszed: Pushing that bank run are you
Rawted: yeah i only have 4k in gox, and ive been trying to get it out since june.
ThickAsThieves: we tested a sale on gox this week
mircea_popescu: matuszed some noobs might, until they discover how taking fiat out goes.
ThickAsThieves: where will the cash come from?
matuszed: People will step in for that arb
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only people usiong gox are gox.
ThickAsThieves: this means all of em will need to buy btc to get out
ThickAsThieves: the only people using gox are day traders probly
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a funny situation of "we're closing down and will refund everything just after our good friend kenna is done refunding his custiomers"
mircea_popescu: basically as all mtgox btc are eaten up + whatever tux can borrow from his fraudster friends in the scam foundation
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['mtgox', 'bitfinex', 'all', 'bitstamp', 'btcde', 'cbx', 'btce'].
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.83800, Best ask: 141.41556, Bid-ask spread: 0.57756, Last trade: 140.30000, 24 hour volume: 29046.80762337, 24 hour low: 128.56000, 24 hour high: 141.41556, 24 hour vwap: 134.09019
Rulother: Are you in on the bet at all?
mircea_popescu: tomorrow i think it's getting resolved. seems a certainty at this point that no mattrer which way it goes there's going to be multuple bitchfests on btctalk etc
Rulother: After that day long debate yesterday
mircea_popescu: Rulother i fear there shall be more.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, what "started this" is someone saying so, in april.
Rulother: I'm so done hearing about this damn bf bitbet
ThickAsThieves: and TGB comments on it too
mircea_popescu: who's trolling bitbet comments ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe that sparked this
ThickAsThieves: there was a retracted article from thegenesisblock pointing out gox might have serious issues\
chaang-noi: and i was thinking wow, what a slow day...
chaang-noi: 16 to 17k btc bought in like 20 mins,...
ThickAsThieves: maybe today!
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 138.00000, Best ask: 138.01614, Bid-ask spread: 0.01614, Last trade: 138.00000, 24 hour volume: 24554.77653449, 24 hour low: 128.56000, 24 hour high: 138.01615, 24 hour vwap: 133.06761
matuszed: if theres gonna be a run on the bank its going to be interesting
matuszed: Theres only 29K Coin left at GOX up to 200
ThickAsThieves: if it really is a liquidity problem, then I expect we'll see more pronounced symptoms
chaang-noi: well, that has been the trend for a few weeks now, it could break now but has been interesting
ThickAsThieves: no wya to tell how long or whether it sticks
Scrat: now the sheep will buy on bitstamp to reflect that "move"
chaang-noi: i bet you the others go over 120 soon
chaang-noi: but gox has been pulling the price of all the other exchanges higher
Scrat: more people moving out of that piece of shit exchange?
chaang-noi: and that wall at 134!
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 134.36270, Best ask: 134.36900, Bid-ask spread: 0.00630, Last trade: 134.36838, 24 hour volume: 19529.70646874, 24 hour low: 128.56000, 24 hour high: 135.16064, 24 hour vwap: 132.21581
thestringpuller: one sec will do that once I get to school gotta go afk for a bit for the commute, thanks mang!
Rulother: where is this "call out" unless bitcoiner is you
mircea_popescu: ahh this shit's golden.
thestringpuller: hence the jay-z song lol
mircea_popescu: dude you've picked a good one. the male bimbo.
ThickAsThieves: you call that a callout?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Ford dropped out of NYU after only a year, preferring to concentrate on acting in television commercials; at one time, he was in 12 national advertising campaigns simultaneously."
thestringpuller: sent to office@polimedia
San1ty_: Got to run before the cops get here!
johnnyfootball: i pooped in the thread and also called mircea_popescu out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] [PAID] 1.00000000 BTC to 100`000 shares, 1000 satoshi per share
thestringpuller: can you work with that?
thestringpuller: k i'll email the html page
San1ty_: ThickAsThieves: Thanks for confirming :).
thestringpuller: i have the raw data
thestringpuller: I think I may have the article in my netbook
thestringpuller: wait there may be hope
ThickAsThieves: (of the asset holder emails and Qty)
ThickAsThieves: <San1ty_> ThickAsThieves: Maybe a Derp question, but what happens with your assets if Havelock would have an irrecoverable DB crash? <<< there are backups
mircea_popescu: it was about 10x easier to write than it is to re-write.
mircea_popescu: ill confront 4 variants and hopefully remember the rest.
mircea_popescu: TomServo well luckily i keep slaves, they all read my shit, i had everyone re-write it from memory under pain of lashing.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and if that chain is 10`000 units long you go make a miner to rebuild from scratch
gecko_x2: a few seconds to restore
gecko_x2: a few seconds to transfer off site
gecko_x2: a few seconds to take the snapshot
gecko_x2: subsequential backups a fraction of that