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gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 137665065.743 based on data since last change | 137132891.907 based on data for last
three days
dexX7: uh nevermind, it's not even
the case right now
dexX7: though
this is only speculation
dexX7: when you see asks doubling up, you know it's
time!
Duffer1: hahahah oh is it dump
time again?
reeses: I rub it out
to naked men when I'm drunk, but I don't play games, smoke, or do dope
mircea_popescu: "top lies men will
tell
to your face : 1. I don't play games ; 2. I don't jack off ; 3. I don't drink, smoke or do dope ; 4. I'm not gay"
reeses: I can beat him at normal chess because I have
the memory
reeses: well,
that same kid and I play chess
reeses: games == get compilers
to stop
telling me my code is bad
reeses: I do play letterpress on
the phone when bored
reeses: and I'm
thinking,"I hate
this kid"
reeses: turns out he
thought
the arduino itself was boring and used
the components
reeses: I bought him one of
the big arduino kits for his bday in July
reeses: but if some idjit, who is obviously not one of us ;>, were
to
try
to string a skinny wire from china
to paris, and run DC over it,
they would not have a great success for
the people
mircea_popescu: if one generator at one end has overcapacity and
the one at other end undercapacity
reeses: then
the generation at
that point is instead exported from
that market
reeses: it just happens
that electricity is fungible
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dexX7: i only saw it one
time with like.. 30 btc blown in
the wind
dexX7: there a lot of options out
there with a shifted digit
mircea_popescu: but
that's really besides
the point. mooching isnt a business plan.
dexX7: [LABCOIN] 12 @ 0.0031 = 0.0372 BTC [+] <<
that poor guy..
dexX7: yeah well, i guess
that's
the prejudice/false impression i have
there
mircea_popescu: in fact commercial power costs by and large
the same all over
the world.
mircea_popescu: if
that were
true
the chinese govt would just export all
the electricity and increase
the production, exponentially, until balance were met.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's a false idea
that chinese dc has no power cost.
mircea_popescu: power up
the board for a
time, see how much of it burns
mircea_popescu: MilkyLep it'd depend
tho. see
the
thing is, unreliable chips are unknowns.
dexX7: yup, but
that's not all also. it's obviously a huge difference if you deploy your rigs in.. say a chinese datacentre with almost no power cost instead of running a miner somewhere in europa in your living room
MilkyLep: At what point is it in
the developers best interest
to "skip"
the chip due
to failure? And what does it mean for
the consumer?
mircea_popescu: so your gen II process is in
theory 3x as efficient in power as gen I, but if you get 99% reliability on gen I and 35% on gen II well... gen I is still more bang per watt.
dexX7: i wish i would know more about
this stuff
mircea_popescu: now, it's much more likely
to have blown cores in
tight process.
mircea_popescu: which means it uses 7
times as much power as it actually needs.
mircea_popescu: here's a set of fun facts : in a 16 core chip which has 14 blown cores it is likely
the blown cores are powered anyway.
Duffer1: and on
time shipping.. hehe
mircea_popescu: power efficiency (ie, consumption per cycle) correlates strongly with
the process size,
dexX7: probably
the most important one
MilkyLep: I hope
the design quality outshines
the picture quality
they like
to post
Duffer1: which factor is more related
to power consumption?
mircea_popescu: the quality of
the design is probably a degree of magnitude more important for performance
dexX7: i just wanted
to say:
there are more factors
to consider instead of only
the
transistor size
dexX7: depends. i
think
there is a wide range between "not profitable" and "profitable", especially you can't pin
this down
to
transistor size
MilkyLep: But everyone knew
that before IPO
Duffer1: i'm not concerned about
that one
Duffer1: 130 wouldn't be competitive by
the
time
they could get
them out
the door, probably not even competitive already
MilkyLep: I'm more concerned about LC jumping
the "selling 130nm miners" ship
to we are now focusing on 55/65
they stated
MilkyLep: Interesting, nothing solid, and hardly provable I imagine. Some coincidences are
too
timely
to ignore - of course we are referring
to luck in
the grand scheme of bitcoin mining
Duffer1: i wonder what kind of
trollnouncement
they're going
to make
the next
time
they want
to pick up more cheap LC shares
dexX7: you would actually
to do
this, if attempt
to double spend
dexX7: i don't
think so. if you delay
the broadcast, you run into
the risk
that another miner publishes
the next block
MilkyLep: Could
they have found
the block, and
there been a delay in broadcasting
the block/reward on
the blockchain?
dexX7: it would be a somewhat stronger soft-argument, if
the last found block was found only a few minutes before
their announcement, but
that's not
the case
dexX7: blockchain uses utc as
time, does anyone know?
Duffer1: a mining address
that can prove at least 1.5th will have
the stock price back
to 4 in no
time
MilkyLep: If I had bought some before bed last night Id be happier
today
tho
Duffer1: that's
the
thing
though, which swing will leave
the price permanently higher, or permanently lower
MilkyLep: I dont expect
this pump
to end well
MilkyLep: I would make your btc
then step back for a day
dexX7: yes, i
think so
too
dexX7: due
to
the volume and constant high volatility it's a dream
to
trade, but
the recent sell-off made me almost crazy, not because i lost (i didn't), but i fear i start
to see
things,
that aren't not necessarily
there (i.e. "it's coordinated manipulation") etc. and
this makes it way more unpredictable, at least for me
Duffer1: it won't prove what
they have mining, just
that
they are :P
Duffer1: it'll prove
they have something
that's mining
MilkyLep: What good is a mining address? You cant point bare chips and boards
to an address :p
dexX7: no-news-update but "we will publish
the mining address on wed"
MilkyLep: Whats
the reason as of now? Just woke up a bit ago
dexX7: where is my cookie for calling
the reversal? ;)
dexX7: woah yep. first
time since 90 years..
dexX7: haha
that must be odd for most, i guess
that's one of
the first
times?
kakobrekla: >well
the value is not what is operating now, but what will be operating soon.™
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 1.00978800 BTC
to 2`019`576 shares, 50 satoshi per share
jurov: seems it's
the same
thing
that sell here as Goral Master for 10 euro/bottle
pankkake: I don't know, I might
try
to do better
pankkake: I struggle with some words and
then
there's
the bad audio quality
pankkake: we don't have
the red ring of death
though
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the moral here is
twofold. part 1 : microsoft xbox went nowhere in spite of being pushed by microsoft marketeers. originally it was going
to do 200mn polycount.
then 300mn.
then 125.
then it demoed 60.
mircea_popescu: reeses i am still surprised
they didn't die
the fuck out.
reeses: so did a lot of companies (SGI, etc.) but
they still got hosed