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Luke-Jr: good
thing I maintain stable versions
jurov: and so you will focus
to
things as optimizing first sync speed and introducing moar bugs in
the process
mircea_popescu: because
they're msision confused because
they have no leadership because well...
jurov: Luke-Jr: why
the care for end users?
there are plenty of service providers
that can do it
mircea_popescu: srsly. so it is a year or
two late. coulda been worse.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla considering
the encrypted wallet.dat did eventually make it
through, i have high hopes.
Luke-Jr: 0.9 *does* have a more modular codebase
though
Luke-Jr: jurov: yeah, something would be nice.
that's progressing pretty slow
though, as focus has been on end users
Luke-Jr: jurov: oh, between
the wallet and GUI?
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla:
that's *supposed*
to be going into 0.9 finally
Luke-Jr: jurov:
the RPC crap is just bitcoind; Bitcoin-Qt has a slightly okay interface, which hopefully will improve much by 1.0
Luke-Jr: I
think at least Armory has received a few grants
Luke-Jr: just right now
that happens behind closed doors
jurov: more easy
to use and secure means
to have a sane interface, not
that RPC shit
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr one day you'll learn it's a bad idea
to involve yourself in name only.
Luke-Jr: jurov: I'm not sure blindly is correct
there.
ThickAsThieves: yes it is related, at least in
the context
that we are
talking
to Luke, Luke wants
to be on
the board, and Luke sees
the BF's purpose as
to provide funding for
these Devs
Luke-Jr: benkay: I don't expect
that quantum nonsense
to go anywhere
that needs my involvement.
jurov: and i don't like
they kinda blindly stumble
towards "moar easy
to use and secure"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you perceive
this as somehow related
to
the foundation
thingee ?
benkay: Luke-Jr: how are you going
to be useful on
this quantum bullshit operation and
the "foundation" at
the same
time?
ThickAsThieves: i just dont like
the concept
that
the Devs pretty much act as
the keepers and drivers of bitcoin software
Luke-Jr: jurov:
the majority of current work is being done for
those
two goals
Luke-Jr: jurov: I'm not sure; at
the very least, easy
to use and secure
dub: haha luke is for
the ladies
jurov: which ended up with 0.8 crap
that is being fixed since
mircea_popescu: which was wholly unexpected because it
turns out, nobody on power ranger
team had read or understood
their own databasecode.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's a piece of shit, practically. why, just last march, just as Luke-Jr & friends were
trying
to mount
the entire "sdice is bad" offensive,
they got cut down by a sudden fork!
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: development functions independent of
the Foundation already and for
the forseeable future
Duffer1: bah i'm
tryin
to eat wings here, can't have a convo like
this with wing sauce all over
ThickAsThieves: and let bitcoin core be
the bitcoin core it already is
ThickAsThieves: why cant we let for-profit service providers come up with
the features
mircea_popescu: you expect
them
to somehow suddenly jump
the fence ? hardly.
they have other problems, like you know, how
to live without credit.
mircea_popescu: it's not a sort of rara hate america
thing, but moreover...
those people have run
themselves into a corner already.
ThickAsThieves: when did we even accept
that new features are a
thing
the community at large even wants
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i can respect
that, but seriously... i'm very skeptical.
ThickAsThieves: <dub>
they can't
think for
themselves <<< which why i dont want
them voting on btc software features
dub: they can't
think for
themselves
Duffer1: i care for personal reasons, and I would like
to see america not get left bhind
dub: americans need someone
to lead
them
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 so what if it does get left in
the dark ages ? i mean... who cares. shit happens, countries die all
the
time.
Duffer1: i believe it's important for such a board
to exist for
the sole purpose of ensuring america doesn't get left in
the dark ages, i see no real value for it
to exist for anything else btc related
ThickAsThieves: but he failed at differentiating
that from some sort of affirmative action plea
ThickAsThieves: maybe, i
think
there is something
to what Joerg is
trying
to say, on
that it will be more respected as an international organization if it is diverse,
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: just as
the "men vs women" is a
tactic Elizabeth is using
mircea_popescu: until we have a majority of
the aircradft carriers on
the oceans, it'll be
this muppet strawman
thing.
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I
think "American
thing" is just Joerg's way of
trying
to get elected
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're missing
the part where in no way will an open, above
the ground political party of bitcoin interest can exist or makes sense
to exist before bitcoin is a world dominating sovereign.
ThickAsThieves: if it 'feels' like an American
thing, or VC club, or whatever,
than anyone
that doesnt like such will not respect it
ThickAsThieves: really
that's more of a problem for
the foundation itself
dub: joerg wants
to be hardcore
Luke-Jr: of
the 5 current board members, only 3 are US
Luke-Jr: it's not,
though,
that's
the
thing
ThickAsThieves: i'm not versed on
the lobbying world, but I suspect reality is
the opposite of your vision
Luke-Jr: local groups, on
the other hand, have a much better chance. I'd rather bet on
them.
Luke-Jr: if
the Foundation
tries
to directly manage lobbying in every country, it *will* fail
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculously simple : you go ahead and promise absolutely anything you want. we won't deliver any of it, but hey, if
they deliver anything on
the strength of your empty promises, all
the better.
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: I certainly
think funding lobbying groups should be discussed, but just funding
them, not controlling
them
ThickAsThieves: if BF can be a force
to mitigate
the fumbling of goverments attempting
to regulate bitcoin,
then i might support it
ThickAsThieves: i dont
think
the Foundation should remotely exist in
the ways you idealize
mircea_popescu: <Luke-Jr> it can help Bitcoin without
trying
to run
the show <<< look, you know as well as i do
the foundation is essentially purposeless, but has been recently re-purposed on
the fly so as
to give
the usg muppets some pleasurable way
to waste
their
time.
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: so you would just disband
the Foundation entirely, and if people want
to donate
they MUST do homework
to figure out who/how?
ThickAsThieves: when a problem feels unsolvable, you might be solving
the wrong problem
Luke-Jr: I'm not saying I have
the perfect solution, just
that it's
too centralised right now
Luke-Jr: ThickAsThieves: input can be weighed. maybe put
together some basic
tests
to show people know
the subject, for polls, etc.
ThickAsThieves: i'm generally of
the opinion
that, in most situations,
the community at large is not qualified
to make decisions
Luke-Jr: I want
the public
to know what decisions are being made by
the board, and which members voted for
those decisions which way; and
to have my votes on
the board be something I consult with
the community on
Luke-Jr: not sure how you got
that from it
ThickAsThieves: in your system,
the current Almighty Dev
Team becomes a stronger and stronger centralized influence on bitocin dev
Luke-Jr: with no accountability for
the individual board members voting which way
Luke-Jr: right now,
that's done in private by
the board
Luke-Jr: but
to get funding from donations
to developers/promoters/etc, *someone* needs
to make
the decision which projects get how much funding;
that's
the main role of
the Foundation
Luke-Jr: Foundation shouldn't be making specs;
that's for people or small groups
to do
Luke-Jr: are we
talking about different
things? :p
Luke-Jr: if
they don't care,
they don't care.. not much anyone can do about
that :/
ThickAsThieves: does
this not also filter out many other
types of users?
Luke-Jr: I was
thinking perhaps allowing a no-fee membership option\
Luke-Jr: well,
there needs
to be some way
to avoid sockpuppets