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pankkake: number of
things averaged, more exactly
dub: I know for experience as soon as
teh mainstream media stop
talking about somethign it ceases
to exist
lewicki: What do you suppose
the {?} means? # of people affected by
the
trade?
mircea_popescu: dub it is.
the problem is you're
the flat earth "scientist"
mircea_popescu: if
the problem isn't solved, and it's genuinely what it was presented
to be, why have we moved on ?
dub: my arugument is
that arguing about
the subject is a flat earth discussion
mircea_popescu: dub so basically... why are we not working on
that
then ? i recall
the exact rethoric from
the exact people
twenty years ago about
the ozone layer.
pankkake: I mean if you are going
to have an opinion, you have
to have it because you actually understand
the stuff behind it
dub: its great
that ESR put his bajo down long enough
to oander
to you guys
though
mircea_popescu: when
the proponents start implying other people are
the jesus freaks it's pretty far gone.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good. any sort of eschatology is outright and for
that reason not science.
dub: my estimation is
the ozone layer is still inconsistent as fuck
mircea_popescu: g rather
than focusing on
the quality of
the evidence for
theory X."
mircea_popescu: "Rhetoric
that mixes science with
the
tropes of eschatological panic. When
the argument for
theory X slides from “theory X is supported by evidence”
to “a
terrible catastrophe looms over us if
theory X is
true,
therefore we cannot risk disbelieving it”, you can be pretty sure
that X is junk science. Consciously or unconsciously, advocates who say
these sorts of
things are
trying
to panic
the herd into stampedin
mircea_popescu: dub is your estimation
that we have managed
to save
the ozone layer
through concerted effort of industry, regulators and consumers over
the 80s and 90s ?
pankkake: have you actually read
the arguments behind global warming?
dub: lol, its not on
TV, can't be real
mircea_popescu: pankkake not a bad read. remarkable how we don't hear anything about
the ozone layer
these days.
Diablo-D3: the greys did
to
take down
the mind control device at
the
top of
the WTC
that
the reptillians put
there
dub: this dinosaur at
the offic ecatches me out all
the
time, 'IT WAS WARMER ON
THE FIRST
TUESDAY IN JUNE OF 1904, EXPLAIN
THAT' followed closely by 'REPTILLIANS DID 911'
mircea_popescu: which of
the
two is more likely
to be influencing energetic balance ?
pankkake: also cows are more harmful
than cars
mircea_popescu: fine.
take
the other end. radative power from
the sun ? 1.38 kW per sqyare meter. human energy consumption ? 0.033 W per square meter (all uses)
ozbot: How
to Manufacture a Climate Consensus - WSJ.com
dub: I hate getting drawn into
this, its like
talking
to god botherers
dub: who is arguing
that human recordings of
temperature have any bearing on
the question
mircea_popescu: that objection aside, even accwepting a 150 year
term, blind
to
the fact
that people in 1850 had such bad instrumentation most ofg
their other measurements in chemistry are significantly off etc, you're still barely up
to a second and a half rather
than half a second.
mircea_popescu: statistics is often used
to lie, especially because correct sampling is so rarely understood by
the common people.
mircea_popescu: TomServo im not
throwing it out. i am merely observing you can't, from a scientific perspective, put
too much weight on it.
TomServo: Well I don't see why you'd
throw out all
temperature records pre-ww2 because it wasn't 'systematic' enough? It's still data.
mircea_popescu: fucking intellectually lazy slobs,
thinking in
terms of social proof and soundbytes. "carbon". herp.
dub: further standard denial
trumpting 'facts' can be ommited
mircea_popescu: not on me
to demonstrate some shapeless item is not a fish.
mircea_popescu: dub note
that
the onus is on you
to prove your putative fish is a fish,
pankkake: "last years were hot
therefore climate is going
to be exponentially hotter" isn't good either
mircea_popescu: at issue is
the period during which systemtatic measurements were
taken, which roughly starts with ww2 and
the interest in aviation it spurred.
dub: because I'm human, I need
the fish
to actually hit my face before its a fish
mircea_popescu: at issue is not
the period where any
trace whatsoever of some sort of measurement can be found.
dub: yeah
this is
the great argument, its cold
today
therefor climate change isnt real
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Do you disagree with: "The period for which reasonably reliable instrumental records of near-surface
temperature exist with quasi-global coverage is generally considered
to begin around 1850." ?
mircea_popescu: and i shall be
turned into a pillar of salt for doubting
the word of "science"
pankkake: well according
to actual science we're supposed
to enter a cooling period
mircea_popescu: at which point it morphed back into
the nonspecific "bad
things"
the religious mind enjoys.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it was global warming up until it became obvious a global cooling is morel ikely on
the short (ie, centuries)
term
pankkake: scientists whose funding depend on supporting global warming (or is it climate change now? cause climate never used
to change)
mircea_popescu: fortunately i have access
to actual scientists, as opposed
to us govt stoogies.
mircea_popescu: you have
to be one of
the redditards who earnestly believe
the world started with roosevelt
to actually imagine
this can be "science" in some manner.
mircea_popescu: earth is 4.5 bn years old.
the average house exists for 45 years. making predictions of future earth
temperatures based on 50 years sample is not unlike making prediction of house
temperatures based on a number of measurements
taken during
the span of a half second.
pankkake: and often
the data is kept secret
pankkake: it goes longer
than
that, but
the sources are bad
dub: first I've heard
that one
mircea_popescu: you have conspiracy and fraud proven among
the proponents, you have clear motive, you know its scientifically unsound, what's left really ? leftism ?
mircea_popescu: it's kind of shocking
to me someone can sit
there and posture as if "science", on
the basis of fifty years worth of geological measurements
thart were extrapolated backwards
to create a dataset
that's
then extrapolated forwards in
time.
dub: yeah yeah, jesus saves
too I herd
pankkake: even warmist admitted some of
their affirmations were ludicrous.
the hokey stick disappeared
mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what's going in. who
the fuck asked
the coffee gofer.
dub: its
too late for
that
mircea_popescu: hey, one day you get
to work and discover
the "entire dub workplace community" has decided dub now has
to put condoms on ethernet cables.
dub: its not worth
trying
to
talk sense
to deniers
dub: but, I don't have
this argument
mircea_popescu: dub dead serious. global warming is basically a bunch of politicos consipiring
to attack legitimate scientists
pankkake: if
the
things can't be reproduced, it's not scientific
pankkake: there are real concerning issues like not disclosing
the data used
mircea_popescu: global warming ain't real for
the same reason black reparations ain't real.
mircea_popescu: we need bitcoin death squads, for when
these
types idiots start showing up here.
pankkake: who also
tend
to use a lot of "believe"
pankkake: "denial" shouldn't be a word used by
those who pretend
to be scientific
mircea_popescu: herp. i knew i was gonna run into
that. refusal
to submit
to an attempt
to create a larger market for
the mafia interest
through liberal application of bad science should be disclosed as a liability!!1
pankkake: maybe because it's so hard
to predict
mircea_popescu: quite equal with requiring jews
to disclose
to
the camp guards
the health risk of living in
the camp.
mircea_popescu: companies should asses in advance random arbitrary burden
the socialist governments of
the world might impose on
them, because why not.
mircea_popescu: reading
that pdf from earlier... basically environment concern
trolling.
dub: [s][fn]? I guess its aggregating
trades
too?
dub: okay whats
the
tldr on assbot
mircea_popescu: also
that 1973
thing
TRIEd
to be a
trend and a standard at least
three
times and failed every
time.
mircea_popescu: they'd better fix
the fucking ocr rather
than expect me
to undertake
the slightest inconvenience.
mircea_popescu: here's an idea : if
they can make cameras capable of reading passing car plates at night without failing,
pankkake: at least
they solve
the kerning issues with
their font. but having
the eye distinguis
the letters by
the dot vertical position? madness
jurov: yes, maybe just some dots for error correction algorithm can be added and we are
there
pankkake: every little
twist of
the font is
there for a reason
pankkake: fonts are already heavily optimized for reading,
that's pretty much most of
the work
that is spent on
them, and on font rendering systems
random_cat: aren't most fonts ocr-able
these days?
jurov: not necessarily.
they do know how visual cortex works by now
mircea_popescu: jurov because
these are largely contrary requirements i imagine/
random_cat: thx again, jurov. i really appreciate
the
trade
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's an old idea. borne principally by
the observation
that *it would have made sense* for it
to be
thus optimised.
pankkake: "
The latin alphabet (abc...) was created
thousands of years ago, and is optimized for writing, not reading."
that's quite
the statement