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dub: its like marveling at how we click a mouse and porn appears, 20 years ago
this was novel
pankkake: a lot of
the arguments used 20 years ago were debunked and are no longer used, so…
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's just "thinking is hard and why bother" rather
than "snarky is cool".
TomServo: There seemed
to be potential for interesting discussion, but evidently being snarky is way cooler.
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu:
the wizard of oz called, he wants his strawman back
mircea_popescu: which is exactly
the problem with "washing" data, such as
trying
to extract
temperature records from soil samples.
mircea_popescu: wehen you say
things like "if x bombs go off at
the samer
time" you're displaying exactly
the misunderstanding of sampling in question : nobody guarantgees you
that second is going
to be exactly
the second when
the bombs go off.
mircea_popescu: lewicki it's a sampling problem.
the same problem you eschewed earlier, as i was about
to ask you if you know enough math
to model
the average concentration of gas A in
the
top
tenth of a recipient holding a mixture of A and B where A is 10x as heavy as B.
dub: lewicki: I
thought
they are pointing
to a warmer
than average day 150 years ago as being proof postiive oslt
lewicki: Although I don't disagree, saying nanoseconds don't matter is a little obtuse. If 10,000 nuclear bombs went off all at once
there would be problems.
pankkake: sure - but how would
that support AGW?
dub: don't we have 10's of millenia worth of data
to look at?
pankkake: though it was somewhat
toned down after real scientists looked after it
mircea_popescu: guess what ?! CFC became very bad a
thing just as patent on
them was expiring.
pankkake: but it's an important part of
the global warming
theory
mircea_popescu: since i'm reading up on
this : "In 1928
they improved
the synthesis of CFCs and demonstrated
their usefulness for such a purpose and
their stability and nontoxicity. Kettering patented a refrigerating apparatus
to use
the gas"
dub: 150 years is a nanosecond in
teh context
TomServo: And what's
the point of excusing yourself from
the conversation.. only
to randomly interject?
TomServo: dub:
Temperature data is irrelevant..how?
mircea_popescu: so people all over
the world could
trade
their and
their friends' carbon with each other.
Neil: The sheeple are paying over
the odds for XRP again.
mircea_popescu: nope.
that'd be
the strawmaning part of
the entire
thing i glossed over, but i guess you can add it
to appeal
to authority and social proofing.
mircea_popescu: dub recall
the 50 / 150 year problem ?
TomServo picked up on it. you failed
to do so.
mircea_popescu: lewicki if you're not working with molecular sciences with me you can go read whatever you wish wherever you wish
to read it.
lewicki: No, I am not working
through molecular sciences with you. Someone has
to have published your viewpoint. cite your source
mircea_popescu: you construct appeals
to authority and attempts at social proof. i shrug and point at numbers.
dub: this is why its a silly discussion, we're applying
the cargo cult
thing
to each other, its like religion
mircea_popescu: lewicki well let's start with something basic. what's
the atomic mass of a cpc molecule ? (any one, at your choice)
lewicki: I consider it more
than you
mircea_popescu: lewicki i don't consider
the epa an authority in any field.
lewicki: The relationship between volcanic eruptions and ozone depletion is one of
the most misunderstood in
the realm of ozone science. Scientists seriously considered
the impacts
these awesome natural events might have on
the ozone layer.
They concluded, however,
that ODS like CFCs are
the real source of stratospheric chlorine, and
thus ozone depletion.
ozbot: Myth: Volcanoes and
the Oceans are Causing Ozone Depletion | Science | Ozone Layer Protection | US E
mircea_popescu: its contents broadly matches my own memory of
the entire debacle.
TomServo: Interesting, where's
that from?
mircea_popescu: same
thing being done with lighbulbs currently, god forbid poor africans end up with homebrew industry and do
the whole azn
thing.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it got 1. everyone
to buy a new set of fridges and acs, narrowly avoiding a depression and 2) rube countries
that were just edging itno
the
tehcnology
to compete were knocked back off
the block.
mircea_popescu: and dense
that little, if any, ever made it into
the upper atmosphere. In fact, chlorides from wind-driven salt spray are a far larger constituent of atmospheric chlorine
than CFCs ever were. Also, over
the US where much of
the CFCs were being released
the amount of UV reaching
the ground was decreasing during
the same period (as
the “ozone hole” was being fear-mongered).
mircea_popescu: The “ozone hole” is a naturally occurring result of atmospheric dynamics over Antarctica. Mainly
the result of lack of sunlight in winter (remember ozone is made from O2 by UV light).
The reason it was worse and has gotten smaller is
that
the scare was during
the eruption of an antarctic volcano
that was blasting enormous amounts of chlorine into
the upper atmosphere. CFCs had nothing
to do with it, being so stable
mircea_popescu: since it was mentioned, in case kids at home are using
this
to supplant
their government-funded-therefore-absent education :
pankkake: a real nose can't be
that sexy
pankkake: her avatar looks like a 3D rendering
to me
topace: but
the symbol itself would still just be
the SYMBOL
jurov: he even
thought she stole
the face :)
topace: as a "display" version of
the symbol
mircea_popescu: use dots rather
than lines anyway, and postfix rather
than prefix
topace: (we keep issuer separate from
the symbol itself on our side)
topace: but realized
that would screw up historical data on assbot
topace: was going
to add
the issuer field
to
the symbol
jurov: VanCleef: do
the research. she has a blog under her
true name
mircea_popescu: i don't recall any
tenured professor being canned for not being competent. apparently
the only way
to get offed is fucking a student or something.
mircea_popescu: "As soon as AGW mutated
to Anthropogenic Climate Change
the whole show should have been laughed off
the stage and all
the players
terminated (tenured or not)." < now
this is
the case.
VanCleef: is mp-pr jewish? cause i would like
to bang
that jewish ass
mircea_popescu: "No self-respecting scientist would ever utter a phrase like “the science is settled” or
try
to demonize dissenters." <<
this is kinda lulzy, seeing how i seem
to recall 1900s physics being "A settled field"
pankkake: it doesn't need
to be a conspiracy (see cargo cult science: not a conspiracy)
dub: worked for
the NSA all
these years I guess
mircea_popescu: dub no,
they're unrelated.
the science is wrong ;
there is unscientific interest
to make it stick anyway.
dub: because if science is wrong because
the carbon market du jour is a scam..
pankkake: I know
they can't eat half of
the food existing
VanCleef: as long as we get rid of
the jews life will be good again
dub: pankkake: do 'things stink' because science or because our captains of politics and industry have found another 'free market'
to
toy with
mircea_popescu: hitler can not be possibly far behind, i've yet
to see worhtless shits with delusions of grandeur simply bowing down into
the dirt without a fight.
mircea_popescu: VanCleef a generation of kids
that grew up being
told
they're special at home, at school and on
tv moves on
to be
told it's "exceptional" by
the politicians.
pankkake: global warming: "here is what I found out, can't
tell you how, you're a bad person if you disagree"
mircea_popescu: If you don’t have a generative account of why your formulas and coupling constants look
the way
they do (a generative account which itself makes falsifiable predictions), you’re not doing science – you’re doing numerology.
pankkake: I don't have much of an opinion myself on
the subject, but I can see when
things stink
mircea_popescu: pankkake inasmuch as
that is emphatically not science.
pankkake: it's just
the base of
the scientific process
pankkake: anyone should be bugged by "Refusal
to make primary data sets available for inspection.", regardless of opinion on global warming
mircea_popescu: dub your objection just was
that some random dork doesnt LOOK like a scientist ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i quoted
the paragraph on its own merits, irrespective of author.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, i don't noprmally follow
the nonsense.
kakobrekla: global warming is
the reason i never got a grade in agrometeorology
mircea_popescu: hm. is
this some recognised party in
the entire dispute ?
dub: the hillbilly pankkake linked
to
mircea_popescu: which is why i even bother pointing out
the obvious re "global warming".
mircea_popescu: the
thing is
this : stupidity should be dispersed. when stupidity concentrates, intelligent people feel
the vauge cramp of "we shoulsd maybe
try help
these idiots ?"
dub: clearly
the
test for reality = 'average joe is blogging about it'
mircea_popescu: and move on
to aids epidemic or
the nigger violence gene or w/e
mircea_popescu: well by
that rationale
the best solution
to
this entire global warming junk science rthing would be getting
the media
to stfu about it already