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mircea_popescu: phf i was
talking about
the "collected people who use lisp" as a roomful
there. and i very much doubt you can't reproduce anything you effectually use. of course, couldn't vs wouldn't distinction.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:55 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835819 << not for sw relay. sw antenna ideally is a 20meter-hypotenuse
triangle. in
the woods. what in
the woods is hot enuff
to run a
teg ? ( not considering strontium90 barrels here, but compact and inexpensive items. ) afaik pv panel is
the only pill.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Start
thinking of quality of life stuff you want investigated for your visit
to Uruguay since it appears you will be visiting with an eye
towards immigrating.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 16:00 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835840 << which would be
the necessary end result of inept arrangements, a roomfull of people who
think you're an idiot (or in other words, passively selecting for only
those for whom your formula works out
to relative epsilon necessarily selects for people
to whom you're a pest and no more).
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1836056 << i also don't have means of reproducing
the majority of physical objects i use, including
the machine my
tools run on. i have
to ask is
that a hypothetical roomfull or we're
talking #trilema specifically?
☝︎ BingoBoingo: I mean in a couple months he will have a majority on
the Supreme Court.
Through at least January all he has
to do is abide, keep baiting, and let
the pantsuits keep exhausting
themselves with runs into insanity
BingoBoingo: Trump is set
to get a better Senate sworn in after
this mid
term, it's like fishing. Sometimes you have
to keep feeding slack and let
the scalebeast wear itself out lest
the line break
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:46 phf: are you
talking in
the context of
tmsr, or your commercial work? i had both of
them bought at some point, back in my common lisp consulting days it was a no brainer,
the cost was always a small fraction of
the contract, but
the
technical advantage immense. but
then i don't have
the source code for many
things
that i make my food with
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835840 << which would be
the necessary end result of inept arrangements, a roomfull of people who
think you're an idiot (or in other words, passively selecting for only
those for whom your formula works out
to relative epsilon necessarily selects for people
to whom you're a pest and no more).
☝︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: I can't wait for
the congress critter
that start getting prosecuted as British and German agents by
the
Trumpreich
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... of course, bimbos interchangeable,
that's
the point of
the repeater high heels.
mircea_popescu: "how come
these doods my age don't need
to carry 50lbs of shit
to be here?"
mircea_popescu: somehow
the fact
that
they gotta go
to a market exactly like
the women, under heavy guard and always letting daddy know where
they are doesn't AT ALL percolate
through brain.
mircea_popescu: somehow
the point where some people are regularly handing
them
their ass with a handful of camel shit doesn't at all raise.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's very funny
to me, all
the shots in us army vehicles hand-personalized ("DEATh"!!!) and so on, barely visible under helmets,
these very
tough-ass kiddos.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite something like
that. elliot is
the hallowed imago for a reason, after all.
mircea_popescu: anyway. sorta
thing used
to be a lot more of a problem back in ye olde days before democracy (ie, fifty or so years ago). "what do you mean in spite of all
this equipment wasted on my stupid ass i still aren't all
that cool ?!" used
to be
the jew boy lament.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's usually "genuine" enough, in
the sense soltero dood has a basement with some stuff in it, some hunks of wood "designed and produced by yours
truly" and so on.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, you'd be surprised what % of (male) ustards belabouring under
the delusion
they're "doms" served a
tour or more. somehow
they fail
to see
the problem. "but... you're retarded" "so ? smarts are not needed." "umm..."
mircea_popescu: well no. unlike asciilifeform
the man has seven sons he'll get bridegeld for.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware, we're all alive, and
that means periodically we evacuate. faecal matter, of all
things. now
tell me again why
there's shit in
the soup ?!
phf: which is exactly
that.
the reason why i'm failing
to see
the point of
this line of conversation, is because
their latter is universal,
that's
the pond
they were born into and
that's how
they live. you can pick up literally any aspect of
their lives and find a way in which it's not like "mp and mocky" interaction above
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 14:23 mircea_popescu: "oh, evidently our model doesn't work, so let's make it % rather
than absolute". "yes fuckwit, because
these aren't
tools, and
their use need no justification.
they're just
toys, for you
to play with, oh don't use
the scalpel, use
the
tweezer like
thing, looks like
this is more of a pull
together
than a cut apart
thingee".
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 14:57 mircea_popescu: well,
there's ways
to
try and fail, and
there's ways
to not even
try at all (and still fail, of course). it seems
to me (and maybe i misunderstand)
that
their efforts are of
the latter.
phf: well,
that last one applies more
to me and my people (like asciilifeform), rather
than franz
mircea_popescu: but anyway, seems
to me evident
that
the ~only way something like
that could have worked was as monastic order, ie, harem, not as "company" ie "nuclear family"
takeoff. "prove
to us you can use
this compiler for anything and you can move at franz hq and hang out with us / party with
the hussies."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 14:39 phf: it's highly likely
that
their model
though is fundamentally contrary
to what is being considered, because it's also fundamentally contrary
to what pretty much every american artisan does: when you find a rich account, you milk
them for all
they worth, while giving your work out
to poor ones because "building business". in
this case franz's failure is systematic,
there's nothing else
to say. but i believe
that given
the overall failure
they never
the le
mircea_popescu: phf it's clearly a family arrangement. what,
they never read saussure ? what happened
to
the olde "give us a woman from your house" ?
mircea_popescu: (i know from experience, btw. i am probably
the one here who has physically punished most ic. and yes i do mean with wooden sticks. and axes and machetes and so on.)
phf: well,
that's where
the parallel breaks down, because renting software doesn't work in a straightforward way. hence all
the secrecy with source code and nda's
mircea_popescu: by
the way, you know
the anglo-dutch war lulz ? how
the respective nations (if we can call england
that) procured
their needed warships ?
phf: mircea_popescu: you pay for ships before
the ships sail out
though,
they are artisans, but in a world where nobody buys ships anymore, instead sail on patched up dinghies. so
they loan you a ship, and you maybe pay it off from your returns
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 17:27 mircea_popescu: of course, most of
this "money" isn't much more substantial
than
the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling
through
their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep.
mircea_popescu: and
this sort of sheer lunacy of misexpression, coupled with shocking, indefensible idiocies like ~a magic number~ (really, how
the fuck was it obtained, anything OTHER
than
the usual
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563435 prolonged into adulthood by
that all-powerful pill of neoteny, "hurr durr i am an engineer, aka professional, aka no more pressure
to mature" ?) is exactly what composes
the metaphorical baseball bat i s
☝︎ lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-17 00:02:23: <mircea_popescu> i can't believe income
tax for 100k a year is <20%.
Mocky is grandfather and also other unlikely
things
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 15:04 phf: but for all i know
they have a
traditional american sales approach, where you ask
them for license, and
they size you up as
to how much
they can get out of you, and
there's pure winging it. i'm missing
the "baseball in hands" part
though,
that's an indicator one way or another.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:27:14: <mircea_popescu> what would you need
to quit
that dumb shit and dedicate yourself full
time
to making eulora client
that doesn't suck ass ?
mircea_popescu: phf and
the batshit insane situation of "x per y" doesn't strike as altogether broken ?
phf: but for all i know
they have a
traditional american sales approach, where you ask
them for license, and
they size you up as
to how much
they can get out of you, and
there's pure winging it. i'm missing
the "baseball in hands" part
though,
that's an indicator one way or another.
☟︎ phf: you can request and get an explicit price list, with some sort of all comer common options
that worked in
the past. all of
this is hearsay
though, because i wasn't
the one
talking
to
them when
the license was acquired (i was doing mere programming work)
diana_coman: I
think it was mentioned at other
times
too but I don't quite recall something else focusing on
this or fleshing it out more
phf: my understanding of how
they work is
that
they have some kind of financial goal (say $100k per engagement),
they know
that usually
they can't get it upfront, because nobody expects
to pay for software, particularly
this kind of outlandish numbers. so
they have a sit down with you and figure out how you can pay
them $100k by other means.
taking royalties is one of
the possible solutions. of course you can always just meet
their price
mircea_popescu: if she really were
trying
to do you
the service she pretends rather
than disservice, she'd be holding a fucking rag.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't credit a maid with a baseball bat in hand
that she's "trying
to dust
the porcelain" and all
the shattered fragments about are "accidents", would you ?
mircea_popescu: well,
there's ways
to
try and fail, and
there's ways
to not even
try at all (and still fail, of course). it seems
to me (and maybe i misunderstand)
that
their efforts are of
the latter.
☟︎ phf: i don't understand how
that's
the conclusion, i don't see how if it's done badly (which is not quite clear from even what i know, certainly not from log hearsay) it means
that it wasn't done at all
mircea_popescu: phf
the principal objection is
that
team of engineers and designers had no apparent fucking inkling
that yes, a price structure is something
to design.
mircea_popescu: in any case,
the "fatted calf"
that
the inept father cut was fucking stolen, and if i sat in judgement over
the matter he'd sure as dingleberries hang for it.
phf: ss attempted
to have a more sensible approach in
the right direction
phf: it's highly likely
that
their model
though is fundamentally contrary
to what is being considered, because it's also fundamentally contrary
to what pretty much every american artisan does: when you find a rich account, you milk
them for all
they worth, while giving your work out
to poor ones because "building business". in
this case franz's failure is systematic,
there's nothing else
to say. but i believe
that given
the overall failure
they never
the le
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's
this-or-that, either steal from
the worthy
to "fix"
the unworthy, or else squeeze
the unworthy
to empower
the worthy.
mircea_popescu: or else
to chain
the retards
to a pole and have
them spin it under
the whip until
they day,
to give
the one or
two kids worth
the hassle electricity so
they can be online.
phf: vaguely, but i don't know how
their real model maps into
the failure model we're considering
mircea_popescu: THEN bingoboingo would have
the following dilemma before him : either
tax
the one or
two products in
that
tree dozen
that are actually smarter
than him even, so with
the proceeds
to buy crutches and prosthetics for
the half dozen mongoloids necessarily included by mother nature in
the discount
three dozen, so as
to vaguely push
them into a cvasi-semblance of normalcy
mircea_popescu: specifically : if say BingoBoingo decided
to buy himself a farm in
that republica oriental ; and if on
that farm other
than
the venezuelana an'
the peruana he added a columbiana and whatever else ; and if
those produced him over some years a good
three dozen offspring, good heifers
that
they were ; and if his sperm was so utterly macho
that all
the x'n commited suicide on
the spurt out of sheer shame leaving nothing but boys
mircea_popescu: "oh, evidently our model doesn't work, so let's make it % rather
than absolute". "yes fuckwit, because
these aren't
tools, and
their use need no justification.
they're just
toys, for you
to play with, oh don't use
the scalpel, use
the
tweezer like
thing, looks like
this is more of a pull
together
than a cut apart
thingee".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so no, under no possible lens whatsoever is
the "model" anything but
the shoddy attempt by
the millitantly ignorant
to use
their steelworking
tools & expertise
to do "genetic engineering" with.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:32 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835696 << i believe at least in
the case of allegro
the ownership is
the dks/symbolics model (or perhaps soekris model), guy who made it sells it and
there's enough sales money
to periodically fund developers, add new features, etc (considering
that some of
the contracts are finance and gov)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835829 << no but consider. 1)
the guy who makes
the least useful (as measured by -- usage) end product has
to pay
the LEAST in royalties. why ? 2)
the guy who makes
the most useful end product has
to pay
the most. why
the fuck ? any correct model will have wta,
the one guy who owes you most in "royalties" pays 0 because as per
the hobbyst discussion etc, he's
the guy actually driving your e
☝︎ ave1: yes, and
they will happily import any old project
these days (new code analys framework is based on python, even llvm is now imported etc.)
phf: unlike
tmsr, adacore people are not attempting
to also _build_ on a spaceprobe ;)