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ThickAsThieves: so in that sense the ads probably are "real"
ThickAsThieves: both claim to support access to healthcare
ThickAsThieves: looking arounf that thanksobamacare thing is not funded by taxpayers other than that the two partners that made it are nonprofits and might not pay taxes
mircea_popescu: this will be our debate all through the rest of this decade.
mircea_popescu: confucius says, as bitcoin transitions from 1k to 1mn usd per it will be impossibel to discern whether usg idiocy or bitcoin coolness is pushing the change
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.56061000 BTC to 1`121`220 shares, 50 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: well, whoever was left after they hired among libertards for website coding skills.
ThickAsThieves: it was created by an amatuer that's for sure
mircea_popescu: you think it is fake, and you'd think it'd have to be fake.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so butthurt over how stupid they are. of course they're stupid, nobody smart voted for the guy.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell smickles any idea why mpexbot chokes on $vwap ^OIX ? everything else works
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mircea_popescu: "enjoy the luxury of living alone"
mircea_popescu: but i can envision when we finally get ai that'll be how s.ai will sell it :
mircea_popescu: even if they live in a sort of gay house, with a house mother, it still takes > 3
asciilifeform: think of the various skills a modern child is taught to avoid being run down by cars.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why i see no future for the family of two. by the time all is said and done, living in new york today requires the pooled resources, chiefly intellectual, of about six average kids
mircea_popescu: this is true. merely being retarded is a bar constantly moving up.
mircea_popescu: and it's nowhere nearly as important a thing.
asciilifeform: the overall observation: the number of 'cold equations' a garden-variety human is expected to understand will... increase.
mircea_popescu: i guess we will likely live to see the best part of it anyway.
asciilifeform: mains cable gives no warning, and this led to quite a few incidents early on.
asciilifeform: partly: fire is hot, smoky, generally won't incinerate you immediately (humans aren't all that flammable)
mircea_popescu: gravity, fire, these are things that beat so many cavemen across the skull it's ancestral memory
mircea_popescu: no see, because the mains have good precedent in the fire.
asciilifeform: i was actually thinking of mains cables. but yes, that too
mircea_popescu: i doubt the girl's story will actually come i nthat form to the fore.
asciilifeform: i imagine it wasn't easy to swallow
asciilifeform: 'invisible things that you can't beg forgiveness from will kill and mutilate you at a mere touch'
asciilifeform: the odd drunk still sizzles on the third rail.
mircea_popescu: a lot harder to digest.
mircea_popescu: not any harder to implement
asciilifeform: not any harder, really, than 'subservience' to... electricity.
mircea_popescu: i suppose going forward this universal subservience of all people, institutions, mechanisms and consjiderations to bitcoin will be the hardest thing for the population to digest.
asciilifeform: do anything vaguely mathematical, and these folks will be there, as surely as termites.
mircea_popescu: NOT for academia to tell it how to do bitcoin
mircea_popescu: yes asciilifeform , but bitcoin is here to tell academia how to do academia,
asciilifeform: right now 'top 10%' is top 10% kabuki artists.
mircea_popescu: there must be urgently implemented a pillory system in academia. the top 10% get funding, AND the bottom 10% get tgo spend a day nude with their necks in the thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few of the irritants in this piece are actually overall features of the 'mandatory kabuki theatre' of anglo academe.
mircea_popescu: "your asics won't be useful anyway by the time anyone gets around to getting changes in that brick it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this article should be condensed into a two page job application with an asic producer and ditch all the "research" presumptiousness and otherwise opining.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'durable' == 'holds the magic smoke in', or in a more general sense of continued usefulness?
mircea_popescu: perhaps that call was based on the mistaken belief that asics are more durable goods than toilet paper, which has been proven not to hold.
mircea_popescu: this actually was rejected by everyone on the grounds that it makes the stuff so easily brickable by even the slightest cosmetic changes in the "spec" (ie, code) that it's not worth it.
mircea_popescu: Overall we see that we can save 18 additions: 16 additions have a constant equal equal to zero, and 2 more additions with 0x80000000 which can be replaced by flipping one bit, the cost of which is very small (in hardware) when compared to the cost of one addition.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the c oncept of amortised cost of hashes used in efficiency of computation calculations is a sound way to go about things.
mircea_popescu: still the improvements are slight. save 2.x rounds out of 64, that's a 3% gain
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness maybne they were braindamaged/didn't have the time to do it properly
mircea_popescu: because it came out that all the logic needed to do this would actually increased cost and lowered efficiency of the chips
mircea_popescu: this actually has been discussed but not included by at least two asic developers
mircea_popescu: and we can early reject most cases. Only in 1/232 of cases we need to compute 62 rounds in the third compression function. Then only in some 1/260 of cases where we have actually obtained at least 60 zeros, we would need compute the full 64 rounds.
mircea_popescu: We basically want to force values created at rounds t = 60 and 61 to two fixed constants which come from the SHA-256 IV constants, and which would produce zeros at the output. For this most of the time we just need to compute the first 61 rounds out of 64
asciilifeform: yeah actually even my own toy fpga miner had this one.
mircea_popescu: afaik this has been done since the fpga days right ?
mircea_popescu: We can reduce the cost factor from 3.0 to 2.0 almost instantly by making the following observation. In the process of bitcoin mining the first compression function does not depend on the random nonce on 32 bits. Therefore we can compute it once every 232 nonces. On average we need
mircea_popescu: statistically speaking it's likely to increase its meaningfullness
asciilifeform: not uncommon, among academic noobs, to grok the 'how' but not the 'why'.
mircea_popescu: who ARE these people.
mircea_popescu: yea you dorks. totally "excessive". herp.
mircea_popescu: An interesting peculiarity in Bitcoin specification and source code is that hashing with full SHA-256 is applied twice. This may seem as excessive: one “secure” hash function should be sufficient. It also makes our job of optimizing bitcoin mining substantially more difficult.
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same rthings omfgbbq
mircea_popescu: "We recall from Section 6.2 that new bitcoins can be created when the miner succeeds to hash some data from the bitcoin network together with a 32-bit random nonce and"
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck writes like this, this is not highschool yet.
mircea_popescu: i'm half way through
mircea_popescu: Back then it was 256 million times easier than today to solve CISO puzzles. Many early adopters of bitcoin have made a lot of money. One of the well-known problems of bitcoin is the problem of hoarding: a substantial proportion of bitcoins in circulation is not used.
dub: theres a lot of stupid shit in there
asciilifeform: and, imho, might be of interest to some here. hence the link.
asciilifeform: the optimization shortcuts described towards the end are quite genuine.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, this isn't a paper. i'm not sure theverge would publish this muck.
mircea_popescu: "The energy efficiency of bitcoin miners have already been improved by a factor of about 10,000 since bitcoin have been invented, and we claim that further improvements are inevitable. Better technology is bound to be invented, would it be quantum bitcoin miners."
mircea_popescu: "In this paper we point out that there are fundamental incertitudes which depend very strongly on the bitcoin specification and that this is specification is NOT written in stone, it is likely to change"
mircea_popescu: why show bias in the first para when you're trying to play the researcher ?
ozbot: LvM L&Sa - I.1.Ownership (5) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: dpaste: #1461271: The Unreasonable Fundamental Incertitudes
mod6: heh. yeah, was just looking for a PDF URL to HTML/TEXT web thingy.
asciilifeform: t'were me, it'd be ascii art cover to cover.
asciilifeform: ask them, not me.
darby: candles would be nice tho :)
darby: bitcoinity exactly what i was looking for, thx
dub: you can steal sierracharts too
dub: (all of these things ask for donations though, and stallman is retarded)
kakobrekla: yeeah topace, what dub said.
darby: noob question: is there something similar to rtbtc that is free to use?
dub: bad look dealing with that little sack of shit
topace: only a portion of share have been pushed to accounts so far, the rest coming once users create accounts to allocate the shares into
topace: COGNITIVE now trading on Havelock
Namworld: oh hey, they have new options
firedrops: well, stolen tv with no 'mercials
firedrops: Lucy Lui is doing tai chi move Ward Off Evil in every skimpy outfit. for once TV delivers..
kakobrekla: stealin all teh helium
firedrops: he's out there scammin' away. dem tides!
firedrops: 00:12 -!- Nick moon is temporarily unavailable
ThickAsThieves: someone should send a bitcoin to the moon
pankkake: are there enough moons left to go to?
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