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mircea_popescu: well i don't have
the energy
to dig into
this all
the way
to having
traceroute read.
dub: the
tool may be interpreting what it sees wrong
dub: icmp is exception
traffic, punted
to
teh control plane in most cases, which will happily
throw it away/forget about/be lazy about by design
dub: or your
traceroute fucked up
dub: or your provider just routes in an out of
that node and hides
the middle bit? or other scenarios
mircea_popescu: so basically my
thinking is
that i got both
the legit and
the spoofed packet from 213.154.128.21
dub: I
think it was pilo I might have been high
dub: Alex Pilosov presented on
this at NANOG in '09 or '10
dub: not decrementing
TTL is a standard
technique inside a network and is used
to hide bgp jacking
dub: BGP hijack with
TTL fudging
ozbot: tracert show same hop
twice - 2033442 - Cisco
Technical Support Forums
mircea_popescu: no i actually know where
the gear is
that has
that ip.
dub: did you sight
the interface or are you relying on geoip/rdns
mircea_popescu: cause i know what gear is in practice allocated
those ips
dub: how are you determining
this
mircea_popescu: well also
the geographical distance between 213.154/16 and 209.85/16 is about 300 miles.
mircea_popescu: why
the fuck does it
trace
to
the same machine from itself ?
mircea_popescu: bgupta afaik
the allaire guy sold
to general catalyst in 2004, and is running brightcove since a decade ago,
to no particular results.
bgupta: (my
takaway from
the hearings)
bgupta: "I understand
the words, but not
the sentences."
mircea_popescu: bloctoc someone should write
the
transcript and s/bitcoin/obamacare/
bloctoc: someone should
take
the
transcript of
the hearing and replace
the ubiquitous phrase "child porn" with "OH MY GOD WHAT ABOUT
THE CHILDREN!!!!"
thestringpuller: lololol macromedia didn't
they go under before adobe bought
their shit?
mircea_popescu: bgupta and do you mean brightcove ? when was
that sold ?!
TomServo: I just finished watch... I
thought Ernie was
the most cogent of
the entire panel
bgupta: donnu, he sold his company
to Google
tfor 500-700 million 4 years ago.. don't know what his
take was. ;)
mircea_popescu: he's
the fuckwit
that blessed
the world with
the suck
that is macromedia. /me bristles
gribble: This order would exceed
the size of
the order book. You would buy 13590.822 bitcoins, for a
total of 744211999.8677 USD and
take
the price
to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 168.3358 seconds
mircea_popescu: bgupta
the problem of course is
that nobody cares what he
thinks.
benkay: it's how
the rich keep everyone else out of
the game.
bgupta: so anyone catch
the hearings? Jeremy Allaire came off as a
total
tool, was basically like "yeah it's important
that we hold innovation in financial services
to a higher standard, so it's good
thing
that entrepreneurs have
to go register with all 50 states
to get licensed as MSBs
to operate in
the US. My company Circle (Jerk) is going
through it. It's really good
that it's very expensive, since it limits it
to
kakobrekla: no further discussion was made on
the subject.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla store your btc on mpex,
that way once
the solar flare wipes all my btc you can milk all over me.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: looks like $600 isn't happening
today << sweet.
kakobrekla: im having like
the worst week ever. now my blockchain crashed.
mircea_popescu: and conditional upon nondelivery (you have
to host "your' miner with
them)
mircea_popescu: apparently
they changed
their "contract" (what peas-for-brains regard unsigned matter as "contracts" is beyond me)
dub: so
they're still fucked
mircea_popescu: the chinese have
the working brains
to figure
this out on
their own
tho
dub: however because
they are chinese
they build property which wont last more
than 15 years
dub: with less risk
to it
than say a bank
dub: the property boom was simply
that
they now had a place
to put money
mircea_popescu: truth is
things are overheating, but we still have some leeway.
bgupta: popular stereotype is
that chan chinese are hoarders. Recent real estate prices indicate
they are speculators as well. /me wonders if any good can come of
this perfect storm.
bgupta: back
to 1044.07 US Dollar on btcchina...
mircea_popescu: anyway, on
the positive side,
the plaintive story of
the guy out however many bitcoins over not including
tx fees will perhaps inspire all
the noobs
to set
their
tx fee > 0 like... NOW
benkay: cling
terrified
to your coins
mircea_popescu: basic stuff like "don't blow your entire wad on
the first
thing you fall upon without having
tried
to figure it out first"
mircea_popescu: consumers. bitcoin will bust a large number of butts before people get used
to how
things work irl.
dub: yus,
the butt pain feel from him was palpable
mircea_popescu: i like people who learned about bitcoin once it passed 500 or w/e
telling what
the network is all about
mircea_popescu: jurov no, i'll just push it down just
to be an asshole.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 717.0, Best ask: 719.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last
trade: 720.0, 24 hour volume: 92044.38572966, 24 hour low: 531.0, 24 hour high: 900.97998, 24 hour vwap: 665.40648
dub: I'd say
there is more up
bgupta: still well above
the 24 hour x-echange moving average.. won't say popped until it drops below.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 727.0, Best ask: 728.99999, Bid-ask spread: 1.99999, Last
trade: 729.0, 24 hour volume: 90803.09857291, 24 hour low: 531.0, 24 hour high: 900.97998, 24 hour vwap: 663.54756
bgupta: goxlag back
to 0... strom front passed. .. wonder how many coins were shaken loose?
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 689.03, Best ask: 700.0, Bid-ask spread: 10.97000, Last
trade: 700.0, 24 hour volume: 89761.93958660, 24 hour low: 531.0, 24 hour high: 900.97998, 24 hour vwap: 662.36674
dub: seems
to be some buying on
there still
BingoBoingo: bgupta: Probably just
the last struggles of English speakers
to
try
to drive
the coins.
bgupta: and btcchina seems
to be under ddos again? Deja vu?
dub: I
think
that api is behind
pankkake: if it's using bitcoincharts
that's understandable
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gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 600.0, Best ask: 640.0, Bid-ask spread: 40.00000, Last
trade: 640.0, 24 hour volume: 82005.62655160, 24 hour low: 531.0, 24 hour high: 900.97998, 24 hour vwap: 658.5528
mike_c: i
think
the chinese are running
this show. we're going where
they
take us.
gribble: MtGox lag is 2110783.68141 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 4229.98686404 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from
the Sun
to heliopause (out of
the solar system!) (100 AU).
nubbins`: last 2
trades on virtex: 1.5 @ 800 and 3.92 @ 700
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gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 900.0, Best ask: 900.57013, Bid-ask spread: 0.57013, Last
trade: 900.0, 24 hour volume: 76312.78678810, 24 hour low: 523.0, 24 hour high: 900.57013, 24 hour vwap: 646.81154
dexX7: which actually implies
that bitcoin is right now at it's soft limit? x_x
nubbins`: i'd love
to have a proper studio with a storefront
nubbins`: and everyone in
this neighbourhood is viewed with suspicion :D