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mp_en_viaje: there'll never be a better solution ; because there can't be. because there's no solution to this problem, i can write insane nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: ~EVEN A THING THAT CAN'T BE WRITTEN~
mp_en_viaje: and this is the irresolvable problem : by the very definition of things, i can write anything.
diana_coman: there's always this code-text tension that annoys me because I still read it as broken-sign: code should be text but then each time I try to get it along text, it doesn't play well, ugh.
mp_en_viaje: ~~ || [[ there's so many syntactically forbidden doublingd anyway.
diana_coman: (heh, reading back in jfw quotes re footnotes, yes: he avoided (()) because of lisp-code worries so ended up on the <fn> mess).
mp_en_viaje: right. doesn't work for the "house on the ground" style 3sq ft spaces. but otherwise -- unbeated, ~unbeatable~.
diana_coman: and up any sort of hills/uneven terrain, yes.
mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
mp_en_viaje: yet imo, scything is ~still~, to this day, the superior grass cutting tech.
mp_en_viaje: it has that shape, made to fuck grass. it'll fuck simpletons just as well. hence the falx, the traditional weapon of muh ppl, the one thing the romans feared.
mp_en_viaje: this is entirely possibly the case ; but i'm not rewriting the lamp stack to find out.
diana_coman: I still think it does too much, lol.
mp_en_viaje: not that the sorta people don't try.
mp_en_viaje: specifically because it ~can't~ do all sorts of "desirable" things that aren't.
diana_coman: I can see the angle.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't know; why do you trust php?
mp_en_viaje: i daresay there exists no other system i'd trust to display my words for others.
diana_coman: heh, that's precisely the image that came to mind: them fighting and breaking the tool while the grass stood the same way.
mp_en_viaje: so, you know, php... yeah, it's inadequate for many things. most things.
mp_en_viaje: a man with a scythe would have done that plot in a few hours ; these muppets broke the tool and their hands and their hopes for a better future, while doing less damage to the field than a wild hog.
diana_coman: but honestly, this automated system that is same for *everyone* is something I just can't see; ie each can automate their own system, sure; but beyond that it gets iffy.
mp_en_viaje: can you imagine it ? i daresay you might be able to!
mp_en_viaje: i pulled out chairs on top balcony overlooking it and we had drinks watching the morons fight late summer banat grass with a wheedwhacker. it was better than tv.
mp_en_viaje: there's a vacant lot next to my place, here. and the middle class "investor" owners of it came late summer to cut down the grass (city ordnances threatening fines no doubt impelling them), with a brand-new... wheedwhacker, they paid a hundy or two for, in tow.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with automated systems is this : the moment you try to make automated systems for interacting with people, you're stuck with an unresolvable problem. i happen to prefer the scythe to the "modern" lawnmower.
diana_coman: I suspect he's coming from heavy-markup use habit too so probably yes.
diana_coman: that is possible but an additional thing there anyway; well, in truth, ~all php hurts from my pov.
mp_en_viaje: most of php is actually exactly like this -- "doctor, it hurts when i do X" "don't".
mp_en_viaje: trilema uses (( and )). this is correct, too, should be 2 chars not 4, and should not use the fucking </> format either.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't look into it ; but going by the novel symbol <fn>, i expect he did a stupid thing, equivalent to walking on a rake, by declaring the footnote separators to be tag-like, <fn> and </fn>
diana_coman: anyways, when he wakes up I'll see what he has there exactly and will figure it out.
diana_coman: ah, in his notes there is that *afterwards*, yes
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, this seems to be re the footnotes ?
diana_coman: but I hadn't yet had the time to actually look at it.
diana_coman: there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/misadventures-in-mp-wp-setup-the-sad-work-in-progress-post/?b=omfg&e=wysiwyg%20editor#select
mp_en_viaje: it could be prevented server-side at the cost of increasing code complexity, which... it's fucking php, wtf.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 05:13:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949009 - hm; now I'll have to see this in detail then.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 22:19:53 lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948998 - and moreover, jfw already looked deeper at it, so they'll coordinate and it will be fixed.
mp_en_viaje: traditionally the problem was resolved by getting a fool/chaplain (or both) to do the aesthetic rating for the lord running a public service of import. get yourself some pages i guess.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 01:23:32 trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949003 << you've made quite the conundrum for yourself. as a service operator, aesthetic rates are a serious problem, because look how you've forced upon yourself this spurious dilemma of "do my negrates not mean much, or do my negrates fuck up my business"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:20 lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/?b=that%20poet&e=#select works exactly as intended ; we're here making tools to work ~with~ the user, not against the user. which is why i say it's not a bug, merely permitting the user to be stupid if he so chooses is no bug.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:02 lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
mp_en_viaje: and speaking of trilematic prophecy, check the shit out that 2010 article! say http://trilema.com/2010/categorii-sociale/?b=Prima%20solutie&e=evidentei#select paragraph fits the "problem" exactly like a fucking glove, holy hell what.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
mp_en_viaje: i meant stronger as in "a stronger play", they make better horses, how the hell should we introduce this concept.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 18:11:44 BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
BingoBoingo: Every day it sucks still more to be Argentine https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/banco-central-argentino-refuerza-cepo-para-frenar-el-dolar-casino--2019103120253
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-31 whaack: lobbes: i am working on a solution to this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 . you don't want to put any string for the b query param that is going to match a string inside of an anchor tag. this problem occurs frequently because often the same text in a link you want to select is inside of the anchor tag: i.e. for the text 'mp writes at <a href="http://trilema.com">trilema</a>' if you try to select tri
lobbes: so turns out diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution to the mentioned bug above
lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
trinque: did ya try, or what
mod6: trinque: Since you -1'd me, am I able to get my coins out of deedbot still?
mp_en_viaje: an' now, time for a nice long bath ; with a bottle of pelin rosu de urlati (man... that's something everyone gotta try sometime).
mp_en_viaje: all the better.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it is difficult to resist a good ol'fashioned gloves-off flamefest , but i give my word re to not spam your chan ( in fact will be mostly afk for next coupla d. )
mp_en_viaje: i admit that he doesn't sound altogether sane, an' if you wish to take it as a poor reflection on my judgement that i permit insanity to stand in the light i'll have to bear it ; the alternative strikes me as outright perversity and i dun wanna.
mp_en_viaje: i had no intention to negrate him at the onset ; i still have no intention to, notwithstanding he's spewing all sort an' manner of insanity -- this not because it's laughably ineffectual an' self-defeating, but because i don't believe in damnation by quality.
mp_en_viaje: but seriously : asciilifeform has over ~all the other morons of his ilk (though they prefer to call themselves "engineers" or w/e) the significant superiority that he wants out of his idiocy at least to the degree of talking about it, contrasted to the more customary "keeping to themselves".
mp_en_viaje: o btw, i nearly forgot! hey trinque , are alf's funds confiscated yet ? partay ?
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diana_coman: there's all sorts of simple and not all of it boring; that there though would be the boring-simple, more like the simple remains of a cut-out than the simple path to the core of an intricacy.
mp_en_viaje: Our natural business lies in escaping. If I can take this oath, I will."
mp_en_viaje: "Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendour. As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. And yes, Meg, then we can clamour like champions, if we have the spittle for it.But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass.
mp_en_viaje: "And if it can be taken, you must take it, too."
mp_en_viaje: "Tell me the words. An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it."
mp_en_viaje: "Do the words matter? We know what it means."
mp_en_viaje: "But what is the wording?"
mp_en_viaje: "High treason."
mp_en_viaje: "On what compulsion is the oath?"
mp_en_viaje: "Father, there's a new act going through parliament. And by this act, they're going to administer an oath about the marriage."
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, so paul scofield (as a most excellent sir thomas more) talks to his daugther :
BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
BingoBoingo: Going from the muted human sexual dimorphism in Angloland to Urug land where the dimorphism is more pronounced... The greater strength of women is clear.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to put at least one rng'd insanity to rest explicitly : i work women rather than men not because women are weaker than men, but because women are stronger than men. if this weren't the case i'd simply be gay, no question about it.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you realise, you'll have to read all this weird crap in like a decade or w/e ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm totally spoiled for any kind or manner of car usage hence.
mp_en_viaje: fun with pairs of girls. it pays! think, i can drive perpetually, there's always someone resting!
mp_en_viaje: florimund did 20k kilometers in ~month. i'm talking to like, pro cabbies etc, "how much did you do since you saw me off ?" "umm... 11k or so" "pfff....lightweight!"
BingoBoingo: Nice. The meat networking here is ongoing, but far more productive than when I got off the plain with the wrong language loaded.
mp_en_viaje: erryone here very fucking exciting to hear from me for some reason, shall be doing a buncha rounds of coffees and adventuretellings in the coming days.
BingoBoingo: As long as it isn't too rounded
BingoBoingo: Ah. The layering, it works!
mp_en_viaje: well... hm. what i mean is, i'm back at eurocastle mp, rather than on the road.
BingoBoingo: Aren't you a little young to be ending the voyages plural?
mp_en_viaje: not a great film, but holy god did old new york breathe through the background.
mp_en_viaje: im reminded of this ancient paul newman thing, he's a drunk lawyer, picks up some tort case.
BingoBoingo: Well, they didn't want to talk to the secretary.
mp_en_viaje: they don't do the whole secretary thing down there huh
BingoBoingo: Not particularly. Did IRL'ing. The damned's counsel tried to call my counsel when he was out of the office.
mp_en_viaje: my pleasure then :p
diana_coman: not at all, I can certainly do with more clarity on the whole thing (hence drafting in the first place)