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mircea_popescu: Bugpowder that's misrepresenting the thing. he'd have made 10 simply selling a pizza.
Bugpowder: Nice Cayanne turbo
benkay: oh it's great i'm sure for mike and btc and everything except the whole idiots problem.
Bugpowder: he made about 8000BTC I think
Bugpowder: used to tip with them
mircea_popescu: take it as a publicity stunt, like getting a chick with a nice rack and a mean streak to stir the forum pot
Bugpowder: I like the coins
benkay: had to reprimand someone giving out printed wallets at a local btc event.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone took it for more than that. caldwell was making a few cents here and there with it, but not worth his time
benkay: i suppose, at the cost of perpetuating idiot opsec.
mircea_popescu: benkay honestly, it was a reasonably nice way to get people introduced to btc, back in 2011.
dexX7: (besides the paper and shipping docs)
Bugpowder: anyone know the valuation?
dexX7: btct for example was an awesome way to launder coins
dexX7: because there is no direct link between the coins
nubbins`: dexX7: seems like a roundabout way of laundering. why not just send the raw btc? :P
benkay: on the topic of greater fool theory, the fundamental principle underlying these physical coins and the entire fartup circuit
benkay: posesser of the keys is posesser of the goods
benkay: or trying to sell an MPEx account
benkay: it's like trading wallets
benkay: giving bitcoins this way is just the most goddamn stupid idea
dexX7: the line was interesting imho: "If he doesn’t verify or have a way of knowing whether the owner of the bitcoins is the same person he’s sending the coins to, that’s a problem ..."
nubbins`: TomServo: they left only minimal signs of tampering
nubbins`: dexX7: there's actually a market for reeeemed once
TomServo: Pretty sure the hologram was proved to be crackable at Defcon this year
nubbins`: very difficult to reapply once removed
nubbins`: the20year: well there's a security hologram
the20year: no way to tell it hasn't been redeemed before you buy, is there?
dexX7: i heard that there are some cheap already redeemed casascius coins on ebay
mircea_popescu: they weren't hard to fake afaik
deadweasel: they're fixin' to double in value again.
the20year: i wonder how many fakes there are out there
gribble: A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 32207763.4100 USD and would take the last price down to 43.5700 USD, resulting in an average price of 322.0776 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 5.2789 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 33179748.9231 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.1797 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1238 seconds
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 867.59095, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.40905, Last trade: 861.25001, 24 hour volume: 12139.28764678, 24 hour low: 839.5, 24 hour high: 941.0, 24 hour vwap: 886.66919
thestringpuller: IN SATOSHI WE TRUST
nubbins`: 3 years ago today
nubbins`: hm, usatoday.com has a btc logo in their header
nubbins`: is there a keyboard shortcut for volume?
nubbins`: to the host computer
nubbins`: i should design a trezor-looking HID that, when connected, sends "[windows-r], www.mydomain.com/horsedick.avi, [enter]"
asciilifeform: 'didn't your mother teach you not to hook strangers to your DC supply rail?'
mircea_popescu: clearly our reading is inadequate for the needs of contemporaneous english speakers.
asciilifeform: hid isn't even the end of the story. you could probably slurp a bit of key via diff. power analysis if you attach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol that's what i thought too, when i first heard of it.
nubbins`: see what the manager says
nubbins`: go to a store and say "hey, can i just plug this keyboard into your POS and type a bunch of commands in? i'll only be like half an hour"
asciilifeform: phun phact: the barcode readers in many cash registers emulate standard HID keyboard.
nubbins`: so essentially it's like plugging a keyboard into the cash register
nubbins`: even though it's a goddamn HID device
asciilifeform: was my first thought
nubbins`: and the store is supposed to just plug it in
asciilifeform: "For the love of God, Montrezor!"
nubbins`: that you're supposed to plug into the POS at the store you're visiting
ozbot: TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe
asciilifeform: wat's a trezor
nubbins`: i can't wait until the first malicious fake trezors hit the streets.
asciilifeform: how many people buying graphics cards for ltc mining have disassembled the firmware...
asciilifeform: can't wait until somebody starts selling 'magic' miners that diddle the system bus to make this happen.
nubbins`: the best part about leaving windows behind is being able to say "sorry, i don't know anything about that shit" when asked to troubleshoot computer problems for family members
asciilifeform: (artist patches exe so the very next transaction is, instead of X btc to addr Y, 'everything in wallet to addr Z.')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i imagine quite a bit of it goes to scrapyards, with old hard disks. and to malware artists.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller all this btc noobs keep buying for fiat has to return to sane hands somehow.
thestringpuller: that's worse than going bearish on the market
asciilifeform: the folks who built these were laid off, and a decade later, popular cell phones.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "One was installed in a ship and followed General Douglas MacArthur during his South Pacific campaigns. In total during WW2, the system supported about 3,000 high-level telephone conferences."
nubbins`: imagine scratching that
the20year: I know though later in the 50s the US had a consumer model, well , sort of consumer
nubbins`: one time pad on vinyl!!
the20year: The earliest one i've seen photos of were the USSR radio/telephone setups
asciilifeform: one time pad on vinyl.
asciilifeform: SIGSALY? department store basement, rather than ship, afaik
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lolphonograph they had on a ship during ww2 ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and slightly later, even in the ussr. but for top bosses only.
asciilifeform: trunked rf 'telephone' existed in the '40s even.
mircea_popescu: it's another to support a city during mother's day
mircea_popescu: the20year it's one thing to make one connection work
the20year: I had to to get my radio license
asciilifeform: the20year: without phased array, you can't have anything like the subscriber density of today
nubbins`: go read up on antenna theory, then
the20year: I don't understand how that's magic
asciilifeform: descended from cold war era 'pyramid' radars in the arctic.
asciilifeform: the real 'magic' in modern cell phone isn't the miniature handset, but the phased array antennae on the stations.
nubbins`: front camera tracks eye movement
nubbins`: super high res, use the back camera to provide a passthru so you can walk while using it
the20year: They had 2 meter radio to phone interfaces in the 50s
nubbins`: meh, just attach an iphone to a headband.
asciilifeform: and that 100 pixel 'eye' for the blind
asciilifeform: afaik state of the art neural is 'brain joystick' for wheelchair
mircea_popescu: for that matter, cellphones happened in the 60s
mircea_popescu: neural intefacing also already happened in that sense
asciilifeform: 6k 'glass' already happened, in the '90s. it just isn't priced for humans.
asciilifeform: although you have to account for most of the 'pixels' being around the center.
pigeons: here it is, althought i never understood the mybitcoin accusation other than knowing shane smith of niamianogold http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/k_1ine/K-1ine_34.txt
asciilifeform: 2d cursor gets annoying though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i recall correctly the actual retina resolution one inchfrom the eye is something like 6k x 5k or so ?
asciilifeform: i actually wore a 3d visor for work, some years ago, for a rather long time. you get used to it.
nubbins`: anyway, i do recall trying out a virtual boy in a store
nubbins`: wait, no, the years are all wrong for that
nubbins`: pure torture