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mircea_popescu: as it happens i was just going
through
the complete works by cosbuc
these days
mircea_popescu: "Zici ca de m-ai fi cerut mamei
tale nora-n casa, n-as fi vrut sa merg? E, lasa! Ca de-o fata cui-i pasa, nu se ia dupa parut! De-ntrebai, ai fi vazut!"
mircea_popescu: "Si sa-i spui lui maicata ca
tu esti femeia mea si de nu vii
tu acasa vine Gyuri nu
te lasa. Daca nu vii
tu in sura scot cutitul din centura!!!" << bolund.
hanbot: so can
there be an...imbolunditatea?
diana_coman: hm, might be one of
those
that doesn't quite mean same across
the mountains.
mircea_popescu: 17yo ilona goes
to work "in
town", in strul
the 59 yo jew's household instead of playing with ferenc at
the haystack ; drives ferenc bolond.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nah, bolund is "madness in young men driven by females
their age ensconced in bourgeois walls about"
hanbot: interesting contractions. anyway, a fine restatement of
the problem of indolence.
mircea_popescu: hey hanbot how's
this sound : "You, with bread and knife at hand, yet die starv't, uncomprehend't."
mircea_popescu: item is imo moderately didactic, demonstrates selection-by-enumeration & selection-by-threshold in
the bundle. can do errything.
diana_coman: aha; atm I'm aiming for basic "random article out of all"; let it be in Ro if it falls
that way, what's
the problem.
mircea_popescu: basicaly it 1. establishes
the highest article guid ; 2. it picks a value up
to
that (with a lot of leverage for criteria,
turns out i had a special ro-only
thing made by alf's request at some point) and
then requests it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I suspect
that's more smarts
than highly intelligent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, supposedly
these are highly intelligent folk. supposedly
the definition of "highly intelligent" is "can learn other
than from bitter experience", nfi.
BingoBoingo: In local weather
the Fat Forhead vice presidential can-nag-dit, absent from
the campaign
trail in
the run up
to
the October elections... Is now being loud.
diana_coman: (and I couldn't find it searching
trilema.com and
the logs, did I miss it?)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: can I get
the random-post-on-landing-page
trick
that
trilema uses? I'm weary of just hacking it into mp-wp atm.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-02 10:17:14 mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as
to say
that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a
thing has
to be fixed.
BingoBoingo: His help
took
the form of 5-ish pages of hand written calculations covering load/span/materials etc
BingoBoingo: My youngest brother, not
the dentist, is an engineer of
the mechanical flavor. Whatever gets other engineers focused on
the internals of
their computers, it never
took with him. Roughly as uninterested
to him as
the internals of his car. When I started putting
together bookshelves back in old country for something
to do with my hands, he offered
to help.
BingoBoingo: I'm not entirely unsure I don't have or in
the past hed a
touch of engineer bogging down my head, but not indentifying as an engineer myself... I am unsure what has
to break for an engineer
to get
the resignation,
that can build
to a faith,
that recovery can proceed from.
mircea_popescu: "the kidney is composed of
the maxint part superior,
the maxint part inferior, and
the lizard hitler part central"'=
mircea_popescu: so yes,
they'll sit
there droning about "abstract considerations", when
they're, like any 9yo, simply procrastinating, instead of going
to
take a piss
they'll
tell you
the
theory of
the parts of
the kidney while wetting
themselves
BingoBoingo: Now, Microsofts great sin is
that
they fed at both ends by selling MSDN subscriptions
the Engineers could sell
to management. Many engineers got hooked on windows internals
mircea_popescu: they just say words, devoid of particular notional content. "partnership", aka "that
thing where i shit on every hand you extend every which way
to sunday & for years, but it's okay because mommy loves me unconditionally"
mircea_popescu: the problem with
the deanged is
that
they lie, "they don't mean
to", whatever, bla bla.
BingoBoingo: "They can read ALL of
the internal parts of
the LUNIX
thing? Nothing will ever get done!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give it a
thought, but I have low expectations. Also,
the other side of
the Late 1990's early 2000's Windows verus *nix narrative clicked in my head.
The fight wasn't about
the merits of any software at all. It was a fuck you
to engineers in IT from Management.
mircea_popescu: (exactly
the same situation, p
to q as a
to b, is what i mean)
mircea_popescu: just because we have a word
to distinguish pedophiles from camp guides while
to date
there wasn't a word
to distinguish "being an engineer"s from people working in engineering dun mean it's not exactly
the same fucking
thing.
mircea_popescu: and yes,
the average person can scantly
tell
the difference, "the difference between pedophiles and pedagogues is
that pedophiles actually like children"
mircea_popescu: people will give up engineering as an activity if
there's enough "being an engineer" nutcases involved.
mircea_popescu: but yes, people afflicted with "being an engineer",
the mental disease, often end up working ~as~ engineers. it's a lot like pedophiles working as camp guides or w/e : superficially
they're some of
the best, most serious & dedicated etc workers in
the field ; but as a group
they're also pretty much
the only serious danger
to
the field -- people will definitely stop sending
their kids
to camp if
there's enough pedos running c
mircea_popescu: yes, well, buboes are also not
the cause ; but it's still called
the bubonic plague
diana_coman: I don't
think it's in
the engineering
though; more maybe
the other way around ie engineering as a result, not as a cause.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you feel like drafting an aa clone ? who knows, maybe your destiny is
to run
the engineer recovery castle.
mircea_popescu: maybe
the way out is rather in
the vein of handling addiction, make an Engineers Anonymous, build up a list of
tenants, "i understand i have a problem,
that i can't fix but i can
try
to manage, and by
the higher power as i understand it ima
try" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: i also don't subscribe
to
anon theories re frontal lobe damage & general degenerescence. yes hoarders show very similarily impaired cognition, but
they're ~old~, and old only. "engineers" occur like schizophrenia, in
the 30s.
mircea_popescu: i understand
the more fashionable neoprotestant
theory on
the
topic requires "i can do anything" as a hard prerequisite, and
therefore "personal development" or "growth" is a boundless field of possibility. i'm... well, moderately optimistic on
this
topic, in
the sense
that i don't for a second credit such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: a kid who doesn't speak by four might speak by five, and if not by five
then by six. but a kid
that's not spoken by
twenty is not likely
to speak by
thirty --
the early years matter a lot more
than
the latter years in
the natural resolution of retardation.
mircea_popescu: minus, i guess,
the lsd
theory, as
the one exception. i'm rather with
the classical psychology camp :
the fundamental breakage in cognitive development brought into view by
the unyielding flow of events was probably definitively formed by age 12 ; developmental delay is sometimes recuperated in later years -- but in
the ~early~ later years.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile -- as perhaps
the strangest case of sycophants & cut-throats hypnotizing
the supposed mastermind in recorded history, it
turns out
that i... actually agree with ~everything~ everyone else said
to asciilifeform (not
that it's hard,
the various rays being remarkably collimated,
there's harmonic agreement
the likes of which cultists' dreams are made of).
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as
to say
that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a
thing has
to be fixed.
mircea_popescu: spyked, guids in rss are
the postid,
this isn't exactly arbitrary, it's a numeric gensym for
the article -- guaranteed
to monotonically increase over
time.
spyked: well, I'll ruminate a bit on
the whole
thing and write a proposal for
the bot spec. should provide a structured starting point at
the very least.
spyked: lly not worth supporting
the current (very lax) rss spec. minimally, feed items should contain at least
the stuff
that's being spat currently in
the chans by
the bot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:57:45 diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked
there is
though
some description inside the blog spec and possibly
that's going
to be
the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
spyked:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949269 <-- hm, I'd keep
that distinct from
the bot spec (which'd spec bot inputs/outputs and behaviour), but it does bring
to light
the question of whether feedbot should accept non-mp-wp-style feeds. on one hand I might want
to subscribe
to heathen feeds on
the internets. on
the other,
the rift is growing anyway (e.g. feedbot doesn't do
https), so it's pro
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees
that rss entries come with a
timestamp. afaik
the only mandatory field is
the guid.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:17:19 diana_coman: spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't
think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no;
to my mind it should spit all entries *newer*
than
the *last one* it saw before, simply
mircea_popescu: but i suspect we'll eventually need a good algo because we'll prolly keep running into
this problem. it's a first class primitive,
to my eye.
mircea_popescu: how
to do
this, however, is admittedly a very hard problem, and i don't expect a solution has
to be found/deployed rightnao.
mircea_popescu: there's an aspect under which it's currently agnostic, namely
that articles come in an entropy-locked
timeflow, whereas it expects
to see
them as random lists.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 04:24:16 spyked: fwiw I don't believe
this is flaw;
the alternative would be for
the bot
to keep a list of all
the items it's ever seen, but
then it would be a list of all
the items it's seen since
the feed was first added
to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented
this spam anyway, since I've originally added
the feed list
to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all
the way
to 2017
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees
that rss entries come with a
timestamp. afaik
the only mandatory field is
the guid.
spyked: anyway, I'll fire up
the bot in a few mins and will be around for a while
to check whether everything's alright.
spyked: altho ftr, most feeds currently handled by feedbot are wordpress rss, so if
that gets declared
the reference point, could use it as such
spyked: this could be limited
to something more restrictive, but with some risk associated
to breaking compatibility with feeds people might wanna subscribe
to later
spyked: or anything,
then okay
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-02 05:27:48 diana_coman: or does
the order also change?
spyked:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949254 <--
there's no considerations re. order at
the moment. a feed entry/item is uniquely identified by
the "guid" field (there's a similar field for atom feeds, dun recall
the name) and feedbot maintains a set of items for each feed in
the db, also grabbing, when present,
title, link etc.. so if remote end rss operator wants
to add an item without a date
diana_coman: spyked: no hurry now and I'd wait anyway for other people
to comment on
this
thread
too, first.
spyked: okay, I'll post a spec sometime in
the next coupla weeks. guess I didn't post one back in 2018/early 2019 since closest denominator I had was deedbot rss and just used
that.
diana_coman: ftr I do enjoy reading otherwise your crisp descriptions
there but as
they build up, in
the end I'll still have
to summarise & basically extract a "spec" out of
them.
diana_coman: would help
to have ...one spec, lol; at least it would help me, what can I say.
diana_coman: (obv, other
than if I publish with messed up/changed dates)
spyked: well, nothing guarantees
that rss entries come with a
timestamp. afaik
the only mandatory field is
the guid.
diana_coman: spyked:
they have
the
timestamp, no? and/or
they come as a list anyway.
spyked: diana_coman, depends on
the definition of "new entries". what's "newer" mean here?
diana_coman: I'm also rather weary of manual disables and
the like because 1.
this never scales, it can't 2. now I need
to keep a list of
things for which
to poke spyked
to disable my feed if I as much as
touch
them on my own blog?
diana_coman: if one starts now publishing stuff in
the past,
that's on
them, not on
the bot.
diana_coman: spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't
think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no;
to my mind it should spit all entries *newer*
than
the *last one* it saw before, simply
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-01 diana_coman: let me see now if I can in
the end identify
the various problems proposed:
diana_coman: spyked: oh, I hadn't realised you ran into similar
too, didn't quite connect and if you didn't say anything earlier...; so in
the end my
investigation into this yesterday covered more
than I
thought, huh.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 20:49:54 billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed
the line
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-01 16:20:22 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem
this has a
toggle ie from settings; atm I set it
to at most 1000 so it should not bother you
there but it doesn't quite solve it.