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BingoBoingo: Just like the Tuna that buy the hook.
BingoBoingo: Trolling in the fishing sense as opposed to the bridge monsters sense probably seems most appropriate on the internet because people who get trolled tend to be lowest common denominators.
BingoBoingo: KRS1: You see the ocean in that .bait? That is where people "troll" Not under so podunk bridge in the black forest.
BingoBoingo: To troll, as a verb comes from the long liune fishermen who "troll" the waters. Not from the under the bridge mosters feared by three year olds.
BingoBoingo: It doesn't come from the monster under the bridge...
BingoBoingo: KRS1: You know where "troll" as in internet troll comes from liguistically right?
KRS1: theres tons of big data now
KRS1: BingoBoingo you arent making sense anymore, the needle is pointing toward troll again.
KRS1: Here's a good example, the web developers install 'php ids' 'oh says management..now we dont need security..lets save money'
KRS1: the fact that nodejs is there it will be used..it will eliminate other jobs
BingoBoingo: KRS1: Maybe stop using these distinctions.
BingoBoingo: The fact people punch less and code node.js more doesn't make node.js acceptable. It jsut means people are too pussy to punch.
KRS1: BingoBoingo ok I get it troll..not making any sense so I'll just say "okay"
BingoBoingo: node.js is the worst.
BingoBoingo: Maybe when a turd fragments the right answer is not reassembling the turd, but finding alternate environments where a better turn could have remained with structural integrity.
KRS1: you said 'deciding you have a field' made me try to understand thats what you were getting at..
BingoBoingo: KRS1: Is there a need to do "all?"
KRS1: constantly feeling a pressure to specialize
KRS1: what i cant get over is how everything is web now..seems there is not much call for sysadmin
asciilifeform: KRS1: circus animals have skill sets, people have the ability to figure oddities out on the spot.
BingoBoingo: KRS1: If you want to minimize your EM emissions though give me come copper mesh, plaster, and rhodium sulfite.
KRS1: so i stay on top and grind as much as i can to stay relevant in the field
KRS1: i just cant see not keeping up on technology your skillset will get antiquated with the technology as time moves on.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I wan't until the IPOD IIGS that Apple tried that.
KRS1: right, but learning SAN brings on the skillset of learning and understanding the network side of storage.
asciilifeform: KRS1: funny part is that iscsi, sata, even usb mass storage standard still use the classic scsi-2 command set.
BingoBoingo: KRS1: iSCSI is still a thing. I am more horribly outdated than you can imagine though.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sym. console was more than a display
KRS1: For instance goes the case of the scsi expert who never learned SAN storage.
BingoBoingo: So much decoding harware in the monitor housing.
KRS1: BingoBoingo then you wake up one day and realize skills in need don't match your dated skill set. That makes sense to me to keep up on what technology is being used.
ozbot: Loper OS » Secrets of the Symbolics Console: Part 1
asciilifeform: curious thing. looks and weighs like a soviet tv set, but with supervga res.
asciilifeform: symbolics, if i recall, had to have tubes custom blown.
asciilifeform: the latter posed some issues in the '80s, from lack of suitable tubes
BingoBoingo: Prolly some of the first machines to challenge your Symbolics on pure resolution without resorting to B&W display.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, a bunch of pins and then two coax connectors.
BingoBoingo: In the engineering building
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SIUC still has a lab full of them.
BingoBoingo: I just wish I remembered what the resolution was on that. Fucker needed a W-13 connector.
asciilifeform: afaik all went to gold reclamation junkyard.
asciilifeform: i pined for one as a student. then they all ended up at the university surplus shop, in a gigantic mountain.
BingoBoingo: That... At the time... was a fast machine back in '04
BingoBoingo: I think asciilifeform that my long term goal is to have a piece in the local paper where the "journalist" describes an old school blogger who still types on an old Sun Ultra 80.
BingoBoingo: Still I miss being able to tell the printer to eject is pins because the piece of shit couldn't write.
BingoBoingo: Maybe that is why I'm not as averse to Ubuntu's Unity as most...
BingoBoingo: Do most things graphically and occasionally kick the machine in the pants by the cl
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe this is a cognitive artifact that has calcified to disability, but I have a hard time mentally abandoning the A/UX mindset.
BingoBoingo: I've actually never owned a computer that could run BSNES
asciilifeform: still plentiful in closets and garages around the world.
asciilifeform: and dirt cheap to free
asciilifeform: but the hardware ought to suffice for a sufficiently late-1980s-like experience
asciilifeform: you will need a hack to attach keyboard
BingoBoingo: The parent's seriously only plugged in in at the time to kill nesting spiders.
asciilifeform: port a unixlike to 'sega genesis' or 'super nintendo'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only off by a few decades. When he was kicked out of netBSD Computer to me meant the spider trap Apple II+ in the basement.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you theo de raadt, by any chance ?
BingoBoingo: Hypercard was amazing though
BingoBoingo: Two years later that same school at the same walking distance offered 68040 and old world PPC macs for sale. My though was I dunno the machines I have well enough.
asciilifeform: 'cpu' is perhaps a misleading word for what they were
asciilifeform: i know a fellow who passed up a chance to buy a 'connection machine.'
BingoBoingo: If I cared then about what I do nao I prolly would have picked up an Apple II GS or 8
BingoBoingo: That was a few years from a driver's license so the transport of the machines was all pedestrian.
BingoBoingo: I have to say. Best excercise I probably had in my life was the day the school had the auction where I finally bought my own flock of computing machines.
BingoBoingo: I just had typing fast beat into me on Gramma's Tandy. (I don't consider it a computer.
asciilifeform: i like to use 10 fingers.
BingoBoingo: If I never needed to do print work the Voager 2000 might be an attractive primary COMPUTER.
asciilifeform: at one point there was a version with a qwerty keyboard (92?)
BingoBoingo: Yeah. I had the black chassis and colorful buttons. Sold it for weed money when I switched to a philosophy major.
asciilifeform: never bothered to pop it, wonder if there's an ARM running an emulator of the original in there.
asciilifeform: takes a whole second (or two?) to switch on.
asciilifeform: the one starting with the grey chassis is a turd
asciilifeform: poor 89. ever see what they did to it?
BingoBoingo: When I fucked around on the old macs usually telling shit to wait worked. Never had a printer that was willing to cooperate though. Pretty much only had the change to touch screen, keyboard, and mouse... Also even faster TI-89
asciilifeform: (asm on a machine where you cannot directly diddle the peripherals isn't fun in the traditional way)
BingoBoingo: How often do most peripherals matter though.
BingoBoingo: And a 68K mac and Amiga aren't that different.
BingoBoingo: If only at the time I had the eperience to internalize that though.
asciilifeform: in just the same way as 68k mac differed from amiga, say
asciilifeform: 'system on chip' is inevitably a different feel than a classical cpu
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only shit being produced nao is fucking coldfire shit which is only "binary language compatible; FOR WHATEVER THAT means this week.
BingoBoingo: 68k asm doesn't need go to's
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Inspired by PDP and still more powerful than fortran.
BingoBoingo: And 68K asm mean jack shit to any other architecture.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 68k was perhaps the last arch that was actually fun to program in asm
BingoBoingo: For roughly 18 months... I thought I was kind not knowing that... 68k largely died a decade earlier.
asciilifeform: i've never concerned myself with keeping 'on top' of anything
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like that time in '03-'05 when the primary desktop and my graphic calculator ran 68K asm
asciilifeform: KRS1: everyone seems to say this, but it never made any sense to me
KRS1: any of the knowledge professions really
KRS1: if you are in I.T. you have to constantly keep on top
BingoBoingo: Like have seriously been spending pretty much my entire adult life trying to catch up with "modern" computing.
asciilifeform: think 'camera flash' but with two electrodes in place of the xenon tube.
BingoBoingo: Also Freebsd didn't boot back then without custom kernel options inaccessible to dude whose previous computer acquired in 2000 was a B&W MAc
asciilifeform: only good for battery tabs, more or less
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, ports tend to have a longer lag.
asciilifeform: well, in the ports tree, rather than at install, but what difference.
BingoBoingo: If I had a spot welder of any quality though my first project would be patching the damned holw in my canoe.
BingoBoingo: Did it back in '04 though
asciilifeform: openbsd has 'apm' util out of the box.