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mircea_popescu: he proceeds to try and prove to the world that no, i am wrong. indeed he is in hs.
mircea_popescu: this is what we're reduced to : i tell him on twitter to get over himself, he's no longer in highschool
mircea_popescu: actually from the same fuckwit
ThickAsThieves: youre gonna love this
Vexual: yeah tat, i put stem cells into germans with no effect
herbijudlestoids: think im gonna chuck some food in the oven, bbs
Vexual: its also not melbourne time here herbi
ThickAsThieves: your language is foreign to me vex
mircea_popescu: that is vexual on the right there
herbijudlestoids: its saturday night here ThickAsThieves :)
ThickAsThieves: it may be time to ignore vexual
Vexual: theres noone here its proaby still there
mircea_popescu: and i think exactly the same of friedcat and co, too. when i say it's a sad story this is what i mean.
herbijudlestoids: so that people can query whichever shits they want in web services?
mircea_popescu: because then if there are many idiots in the same boat it wouldn't have been a waste.
herbijudlestoids: so really what you want, ThickAsThieves is a REST API
mircea_popescu: spend all their time making retarded websites encouraging little boys to waste their life similarly
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all the fuckwitted uk people who spend their time pretending to be women and pretending to be famous and important and into tech
mircea_popescu: takes all of five minutes to steal gribble id code.
mircea_popescu: because things suck.
ThickAsThieves: so why dont i use wot to log into things?
herbijudlestoids: i just assumed the functionality wasnt there
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, are we stupid or something ? been using this thing for years, i promote it as the solution, something;'s missing ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: he was saying just before you came in that he wanted a distributedier WoT
herbijudlestoids: sounds like functionality is there
herbijudlestoids: so ThickAsThieves whats missing?
Vexual: i really wanted to eat that
mircea_popescu: talk to gribble.
mircea_popescu: it has that already
herbijudlestoids: and rate them
herbijudlestoids: sounds like all it needs is an extra piece of functionality, so each WoT node can talk to other WoT nodes ☟︎
herbijudlestoids: anyone know if the existing WoT software is open source?
Vexual: welsome to earth herbi
ThickAsThieves: so what youre saying is, the best way to model reputation systems, is like how they work IRL?!
mircea_popescu: which is exactly homologuous to what i said earlier.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally shows you a different path into why the periphery can not be the standardisation driver
mircea_popescu: this is how financial networks work : when standardisation goes down the periphery eats it.
herbijudlestoids: right, i guess you dont need the wot for everyone
mircea_popescu: liquidity in the periphery
herbijudlestoids: so the wot goes down and liquidity vanishes?
Vexual: is it a thing?
mircea_popescu: who says i'm trading without a wot ?
herbijudlestoids: you have to fire up mpwot.com and convince people to use it
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ok so the existing server eats shit somehow, and you have your backup, someone wants to sell you 50 BTC and they screw you somehow, you want to let others know by giving that person a negative rating but you cant
herbijudlestoids: so you just cron those or somethin
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ah ok thx
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids nono, look in the wiki there's a link to backups
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: if each WoT is just a node in the graph it can be exactly so
mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea. the disadvantage of making tools for a reason rather than towards a purpose is that it's really up to the users to figure out how to wring all the utility out of them.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do you just wget the viewratings.php?
ThickAsThieves: maybe each wot chain comes with it's own level of trust too
ThickAsThieves: so it's a wot of wots then
mircea_popescu: it uses the mpex "make your own backups if you're worried" model
mircea_popescu: i have a copy of the current wot. so can you
herbijudlestoids: ok well in that case its horizontally compatible and doesnt depend on any adoption, in fact would be quite useful in case for example catastrophe strikes the existing WoT server it might be stored on someone elses computer
mircea_popescu: most of the possibility of the world is locked away from most people most of the time.
mircea_popescu: only cesar and antony, and only at proper times.
mircea_popescu: the declaration of love that sunk cleopatra is not something every roman citizen could have made any time they felt like it.
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i was thinking of something like that, maybe you can model existing WoTs as nodes in the graph
ThickAsThieves: what if you let people port trust, and they get a note on their account
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your fundamental presumption is that everyone is at all times in the position to make anything.
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: well if the inertia of the existing system means nobody uses it, then it fails at its fundamental goal of being a distributed WoT that derives its value from having lots of credible ratings
mircea_popescu: "you guise think drugs are cool rite ? cause there's these bath salts here..."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because people today grow up in this echo chamber
ThickAsThieves: well i was gonna say, why is driving adoption so integral to the goal
Vexual: never too retarded, might have to reword the question
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no, it's not intelligence you lack, it's the experience that'd inform that intelligence.
mircea_popescu: but compare and contrast (by which i mean meditate upon) the alt coin with max keiser's alt coin and you'll perhaps you'll come to something.
herbijudlestoids: im too retarded?
mircea_popescu: that'd be something i can't explain to you.
Vexual: mp is very adverse to starting with 0
herbijudlestoids: now how do you drive teh adoptionz
herbijudlestoids: so lets say that make it and its good
mircea_popescu: the very proposition belies fundamental ignorance of the entire thing, which is why i object.
herbijudlestoids: godanget, i dunno, somebody who you dont think is a retard
ThickAsThieves: maybe you paid some other somebody to do it
herbijudlestoids: *you*, mp, not you as in the hypothetical you
herbijudlestoids: lets just say that you made a nice distributed WoT
mircea_popescu: it's just that you're new here and haven't gone through the training process
mircea_popescu: there's more to "good" than meets the eye
mircea_popescu: i tell ye.
mircea_popescu: he made something that looks good to idiots.
mircea_popescu: not only it never happens, it never should happen and by god im here to ensure it never does.
mircea_popescu: this bs where 20something dork "comes up" with some sort of "revolutionary" thing and everyone cares is not unlike manga.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: just in the hypothetical that a somebody made something good
mircea_popescu: THEN you go about making things.
mircea_popescu: in order to become somebody you become somebody, the steps are laid out
mircea_popescu: this is the end of any other attempt, full stop.
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids i will continue to use otc, because i do not use solutions of nobodies.
herbijudlestoids: for example, if everyone in -otc continues to use the centralised version, because they dont want to lose their existing rep, then what
herbijudlestoids: but firstly, how do you convince people to adopt it?
Vexual: 1 am 12 cnad what is this?
herbijudlestoids: sounds like there is some room there for something
mircea_popescu: o this is that ancient thing that never went nowhere
mircea_popescu: also, for the people following s.mg progress : working towards finally moving most of the thing into eclipse
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: seems like "invictus" is pushing keyhotee pretty hard for this, blockchain based
mircea_popescu: (reason i hilited him is cause eventualy once he gets through the logs he can tell me lol)
herbijudlestoids: well maybe but i dun think so
mircea_popescu: people before tech.