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decimation: it seems
that
there would be a pile of nazi intelligence or something
that would substantiate
the claim
mircea_popescu: it does seem
the sort of nonsense he publishes for
the sake of being interesting
to chicks.
mircea_popescu: germany left alone
to overrun england'd have been a royal fucking pain.
decimation: even 1942 US would have been able
to marshal
them
to do anything useful
greenspan_fan: not really sure if
that was winnable, and also, germany constituted a much greater
threat
mircea_popescu: without
that
the us story would have ended in
the 60s rather
than 50 years later.
decimation: My objection is
to FDR's "europoe first" strategy
greenspan_fan: post wwii, macarthur planned
to open
the korean
theatre
to include china as well
decimation: the us abandoned china
to Stalin and Mao
greenspan_fan: chiang kai shek was a miserable bastard who was mad at
the us because
they got shafted after wwii and korea
mircea_popescu: that would be what you're proposing, n'est pas ?
that it could do such a
thing, "if need be"
greenspan_fan: so for
the us
to successfully projected power, it would have
to
treat china like panama?
decimation: you should read what Chiang Kai-Shek
thought of Nixon
greenspan_fan: but clearly, being able
to get china/su
to come
to
the
table entails some projection of power, no?
mircea_popescu: otherwise it easily sums up
to "example of
the us failing
to project its claimed power"
mircea_popescu: only debatable in
the sense of debatably useful for your side in
this discussion
greenspan_fan: I wanted
to avoid vietnam and associated regions because
that's a debate quagmire
mircea_popescu: otherwise you know... some presidents were really
tall and handsome.
mircea_popescu: i asked you
to qualify well run strictly in
the context of our discussion.
greenspan_fan: sort of-- you asked me
to qualify "well-run" re: nixon. Who I had used as an example of executive quality impacting projection of power via strategic considerations
mircea_popescu: somehow somewhere in
this world
this fucktard exists, and he doth believe he meaningfully has any impact on anything whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan i
thought we were discussing projection of power.
mircea_popescu: the "someone like me" is some nobody on
twitter, whose claim
to fame was "retweeting only women"
greenspan_fan: The ones
that come
to mind in
terms of achievements: detente, opened relations w/ china, created EPA,
mircea_popescu: " I was pretty amazed
that he went for it. He flat out said
that he wants his film
to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied
that it realistically wasn't going
to happen without
the say-so of someone like me, and I wasn't inclined
to give some producer
the nod on
this. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that yarvin piece is absolutely fuckingly hysterically funny, because :
greenspan_fan: his administration was one of
the most well run in recent memory
decimation: nixon was
terrible; he fathered
the modern multicult
greenspan_fan: political considerations (can't do much if other democrats can't get elected). Which is
the price you pay for living in an egalitarian society.
mircea_popescu: arguably clinton was a lot better
than
the lot of
them, but hey. he didn;t in
the end have
the balls
to come out and say "i am
the president. i fuck whoever i want whenever i want in whatever manner i feel like. get lost
twerps"
mircea_popescu: anyway. obama
thought he's
tough
tits,
talked shit
to putin like any random forum retard.
greenspan_fan: asciilifeform also, it lead
to
the election of obama, and some of
those people (depending on proximity
to political center) were
terrified of what he might do
mircea_popescu: up until
the
time when barbarians stormed in and
took a piss on
their kimono
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so for
the folks running
the forbidden city all sorts of
things were epic pants creaming victories.
greenspan_fan: the smarter move would've been
to mourn and
then move on
mircea_popescu: we can
take
the historical facts as historical facts
tho.
greenspan_fan: ok, we cannot
take
the actions of george bush as an example of great or even good strategy
mircea_popescu: soo... for
the arab side : 1.enemies looses bank ; 2. we gain mosque ; 3. we destroy some enemy wealth ; 4. enemy destroys some more of its own wealth.
mircea_popescu: at a cost
to
the us of about billions in direct damages, and
then billions more in materiel over a war
they've yet
to win.
mircea_popescu: ten arabs
turned a spot of
their choosing in manhattan from bank
to mosque.
greenspan_fan: in
the event of some unifying scenario of principle actors (say, a world war)
they'd be much more effective
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan it could project more power at
the risk of having its arms broken off and used
to beat it over
the head.
greenspan_fan: i'd still say
that
the u.s. could project more power but doesn't because
the world is
too complicated. Something might be a good idea
tactically but
terrible strategically, etc.
decimation: the Reformation is another example - once Luther revealed
the lies of
the church, hundreds of
third parties immediatedly started
to grasp for
the raw power up for grabs
decimation: for
the select few like Cromwell,
they can ride
the wave of
terror
to new heights
mircea_popescu: the beauty of "national emergencies" is
that even bureaucrats suddenly become free agents
mircea_popescu: for
they well know
that
the enemy may or may not be inclined
to buy
the nurnberg defense.
mircea_popescu: moreover, finding agents
to do
the beheading becomes expensive
mircea_popescu: i suppose one could
take
the parliamentary wars in england
too
decimation: plenty of rebellions were fueled by cheap ak's
though
mircea_popescu: it shows
that in a national emergency
the govt and contractor interests are not merely not alligned
decimation: such an emergency is precisely
the
time
that
the unpayable debts become due
greenspan_fan: a national emergency (when government and contractor interests are aligned) would actually put
that capacity
to use
greenspan_fan: but in cases of embezzlement,
they're wasting capacity
mircea_popescu: somehow it wasn't a north vietnamese
that leaked
the homemade porn of
the fucktarded "supreme leader"
mircea_popescu: but he's
too kindly
to actually cash in on his investments
that looky helped
the village
thrive.
mircea_popescu: so he ends up "investing" : he buys a share in
the local cafe