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the20year2: Not against us , but they used the heck out of them against the CHinese and conitnue to use them today
asciilifeform: all of this being rather funny in light of the fact that the vietnamese wouldn't pick these up, even when brand new.
the20year2: Bending the gas tube would be pretty easy, and could potentially plug the barrel up in a way it wouldn't operate correctly in teh future
the20year2: That would render the gun inoperable and virtually nothing usable for the enemy to use
asciilifeform: if i recall that was part of the recipe.
the20year2: Would be much easier just to separate the BCG from the bolthead and just throw it as far as you can
asciilifeform: manual for m16 (downloadable!) actually had a chapter on how to destroy the piece, if capture is imminent - instructed to scatter parts, and bend the barrel by jumping on it...
the20year2: and those work typically much better than clubs
the20year2: But at any rate, the military still issues bayonets to soldiers
the20year2: In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much
the20year2: or to damage it by a human being clubbing somoene with it
the20year2: It just isn't possible to bend the barrel of a modern firearm
greenspan_fan: you don't have to bend it much to wreck it
the20year2: Those barrels are made out of steel proofed to 200,000PSI , you're not gonna bend them by clubbing someone
diametric: greenspan_fan: no benefit, any FDM style printer is still going to suffer from a weakness on the layers
asciilifeform: i recall the relevant u.s. manual explicitly forbidding clubbing with the business end.
the20year2: There are some really good materials coming out soon that have awesome tensile strength
diametric: greenspan_fan: theres CF infused PLA already
the20year2: Or , if you're gonna club someone, use the barrel, not the butt
the20year2: And you're not supposed to club someone with the gun, you're supposed to stab with the pointy knife on the other end
the20year2: There's a tube inside the aluminum stock that runs to the end of it
asciilifeform: i always thought this was odd. how do you club a man with a plastic stock
cads: luckily the parts we have to print are pretty printable
cads: and the control software is really lame
asciilifeform: pretty sure plastic stocks are SOP to this day
cads: the thing is a piece of crap
greenspan_fan: I am just waiting for a $500 carbon fiber printer to show up on kickstarter
cads: I'm kinda worried our printer won't be able to do it
the20year2: My dad was told by quite a few guys they hated their stocks
greenspan_fan: yes, didn't they have to switch back?
asciilifeform: anyone recall the stories of u.s. soldiers in vietnam making fun of their plastic stocks?
cads: but you have less lead time and you're able to print really unmanufacturable geometry
cads: I'm not going to lie, 3500 is a figure I pulled from my rear
diametric: the20year2: creating the die would cost a lot more than $700
the20year2: would seem cheaper to me then to create dies and just PIM it
diametric: If it were like an objet, then yeah $700 probably isn't enough.
cads: I think they want to see what a $1000 3d printer can do
cads: and fly out a guy to check the prototype
cads: right now they use a STL machine in italy
diametric: yeah thats way expensive dude, but hey if you can get it, good on you
the20year2: Are you talking full length stock, say 18"-24" long or just the end stock for like an AR/AK that's 6" or so
cads: it's going to be a ultra tall format print and we're expecting it to fail at least once :P
the20year2: I need to get into that business
the20year2: The stock will be then creating the toolpath if they go wood, molds for dies ,ect
diametric: most of the toolpath work for 3D printing is entirely automated
diametric: the20year2: yeah thats what i said
the20year2: Big cost on the t
the20year2: For cnc it could likely be fine, for 3d printing i don't think it'd be right
ThickAsThieves: sounds like the embroidery business
diametric: the20year2: creating the toolpath from the design can be just as difficult as the design itself.
diametric: the20year2: 3D printing thats a bit high, but for traditional CNC its not.
the20year2: But, as you said if it's a prototype it might make sense to test it before using. Granted I don't undersand how you came to $700 if that fee doesn't include the design work too
the20year2: Most companies do , or they use PIM to make one from say zytel
cads: I'm not sure why they would not simply mill it from wood
the20year2: Unless it's free floating, unique and all that jazz
cads: it's a prototype to testing fit and ergonomics
cads: for now we're negotiating a first job - we're going to print a gun stock for around $700
cads: I think if we manage this we can get more than that
cads: the client thinks that it would be a good idea to instead retain my friend for 25 an hour while he helps them set up
Apocalyptic: cads, was there some "niggers.txt" attachment ?
cads: he managed not to mention that he has a partner who's loaning him the computronium base of the business
cads: wow my business partner sent me the email correspondence with the client
asciilifeform: the bureaucrats got a good deal for that 500. case never went to trial, and so they'll get to pull this shit as many times as they like.
asciilifeform: that cheque has got to be even more valuable then a Knuth one
ThickAsThieves: "are you trying to say the NSA is not a joke?"
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if i could get away with selling NSA original logo shirts as parody too
mike_c: w00t, $500 from the nsa
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> nsa settles lawsuit with comic nsa: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/mccall-v-nsa-dhs.pdf /// this is awesome
diametric: VirtaAssets: it works! wow! tell me more about how it works
pankkake: obvious spam trick is obvious
kakobrekla: <VirtaEu> yes, you can contribute to the Satoshi Project to receive a guaranteed 120% payout (34.1% funded on round 49) : http://cur.lv/7lc9r
diametric: VirtaAssets: tell me more
asciilifeform: who said there is nothing new under the sun!
VirtaAssets: you can contribute to the Satoshi Project to receive a guaranteed 120% payout (34.1% funded on round 49) : http://cur.lv/7lc9r
diametric: and then going "thats just how the internet works, we're not throttling it!"
diametric: asciilifeform: what appears to be happening now, is verizon and comcast are pushing netflix through their already saturated links
diametric: asciilifeform: I've seen that going around.
pankkake: some French mobile ISP did a similar thing
asciilifeform: joke's getting less funny, though.
ThickAsThieves: that's a joke graphic though right?
asciilifeform: re "do not block or slow down access to any lawful content on the Internet." << http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/netad.jpg
cads: okay, 2k a week while we're there doing the thang
cads: What's the appropriate consulting fee, assuming I'm additionally training some workers and teaching them how to use the tech?
cads: hey guys, suppose a business is consulting me to provide them a fleet of 5 3d printers (which can be bought for around $4K a piece)
ThickAsThieves: Lawsky AMA 12:30PM EST tomorrow --- https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/
ThickAsThieves: "do not block or slow down access to any lawful content on the Internet."
nubbins`: but hey, isn't that just a different way of saying "decentralization"? ;D
nubbins`: that's probably the overarching theme
nubbins`: or perhaps "hopefully we will survive long enough to reproduce"
ThickAsThieves: we've been building things for so long, let's change it up!
nubbins`: makes you go a bit googly-eyed after a while tho
benkay: but man you start /stacking/ ideas and people just trip over their own feet
ThickAsThieves: what were previous century themes?
benkay: thinking is hard to begin with
nubbins`: i believe that he doesn't know what three of those words mean
nubbins`: "central theme of the century"
kakobrekla: who knows at this point.
kakobrekla: well the question went "do you believe that. ..."
nubbins`: if it wasn't for peripheral vision, i wouldn't know what the rest of the sentence was beyond "decentralization"
nubbins`: and then a larger chunk if "I" is followed by "believe"