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mircea_popescu: every programmer ever has basically played this with compilers and errors and blabla.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was going to say, basically this game is the game of fucking life.
ozbot: Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: fuck, i've played this game!
benkay: hey mircea_popescu where's the essay in which you explain why proles can't afford privacy?
asciilifeform: noise being 'frequency of substrings that contain no valid words,' perhaps.
mircea_popescu: xyg way noisier than aca
mircea_popescu: xy is noisier than ac
mircea_popescu: when do you measure the noise ?
mircea_popescu: moreover, take our original two strings.
mircea_popescu: because measuring the noise has a cost in itself.
asciilifeform: then strategy is clear, measure the noise.
asciilifeform: but noised to differing degrees, deliberately?
mircea_popescu: basically the player becomes an exercise to measure the fuzzer parameters
mircea_popescu: and then noised.
mircea_popescu: random selections from the poems given out,
asciilifeform: random selections from dictionary, then permuted a character at a time before start?
mircea_popescu: and are fuzzed to different (and unknown to players) degrees
asciilifeform: from whence do the strings come?
mircea_popescu: string two acadafabadabababbadaafa
mircea_popescu: even if the xy atm has no xylophone.
mircea_popescu: than to switch and perhaps get a very entropic string.
mircea_popescu: seems to me a better strategy may be to stick with a not-so-entropic string
asciilifeform: not all, but once 'x' becomes 'xy' and there is no 'xylophone' in the table...
asciilifeform: if the current buffer at any time does not match the beginning of any useful word, switch.
mircea_popescu: it is a given the bot would contain the dictionaries, sure.
asciilifeform: or, failing that, simply the set of necessary words (all words from his poem slate)
asciilifeform: well, consider a bot. he can contain whatever, so he has an embedded dictionary (for the natural language of the poems)
mircea_popescu: why is that ?
asciilifeform: and it's not clear, from this description, that the ideal strategy is any kind of problem
mircea_popescu: cause that's what i was wanting, to see if this is original or i'm just ineptly stumbling on well known (to everyone else) history.
mircea_popescu: he wins with the highest score once all players have read all strings.
mircea_popescu: if the player completes a line or a poem, more bonuses.
mircea_popescu: the word on itself is worth something. if the word is actually part of one of the player's poems on their table, it's worth more.
mircea_popescu: whenever a player has read a natural language word (ie, from the dictionary) out of the string (exact match, no mixing of letters or anything scrabble-ish) he now has that word.
mircea_popescu: each player has a pre-given "Table" consisting of a number of natural language poems. these are actual literature.
mircea_popescu: each player gets the same copy of the same list of strings. at any point each player has the choice of either reading one more character from their current string or advance ot the next string.
mircea_popescu: once the decay is complete the game board is ready.
mircea_popescu: ok but let me try.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might want to describe this for the simple (i.e. mathematically)
mircea_popescu: "all players get copies of the same strings" say.
mircea_popescu: no, the string is in the middle.
mircea_popescu: each string has its own per-character entropy, from epsilon to 8-epsilon
asciilifeform: 'read one character at a time' << from another player's slate?
mircea_popescu: the key here, of course, being that the strings are not all created equal
asciilifeform: what's the goal? to reproduce the poem before the other players?
mircea_popescu: i was just describing what your bot is supposed to do.
mircea_popescu: you have to write the scripts for this.
asciilifeform: rather than between players directly
asciilifeform: this sound like fun, but the contest was a robot-writing one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously player can only eat a word if the whole word has been read.
BingoBoingo: I just caution against the spring anchored portable poles unless you like driving drunk girls to the ER at odd hours of the morning because they flew into a wall.
mircea_popescu: for a cost. or skip the string, for a larger cost.
mircea_popescu: then you give everyone strings, and they can read one char at a time
mircea_popescu: you define actual words in the dictionary as "good stuff", and each player gets a selection of poems to complete. words themselves are worth points, filled lines are worth more points, filled poems even more.
moiety: thats just along the road from me!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this inspires me ? one could formalise the problem with strings.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contest inspired by Axelrod's prisoner's dilemma tournament
mircea_popescu: basically the appeal of civ was exactly this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is old news; 2nd tournament is mostly done now, too
mircea_popescu: and the shit got like 200 votes and comments and whatnot. which clearly shows the importance of social media voting.
mircea_popescu: "ono, someone said mean things to me ON THE INTERWEBS! PLS CARE"
moiety: chinese pole dancers use two
mircea_popescu: you generally need a bill of health to work anywhere.
moiety: looking at wiki, i think it just depends on the venue
benkay: disease transmission's it's own peculiar set of tastes too.
mircea_popescu: the problem with that is the solvent isn't so kind on the sensitive skin of the thigs
benkay: which is why they wipe it down with solvent between performances, non?
mircea_popescu: which then gets kind-of disgusting
benkay: matter of taste.
mircea_popescu: the problem with fixed poles is that girls want to lube it up
benkay: somewhere there's a cutoff.
mircea_popescu: benkay they actually have both versions.
benkay: i think not. strippers can't handle rotational inertia.
mircea_popescu: it can be about as difficult or easy as you want to make it for yourself.
mircea_popescu: attn all present jpm bankers. the girl won't leave till she's bled you dry!
moiety: i think we can all safely assume thats not going to happen
mircea_popescu: yes well, it gets more complicated than that.
moiety: when you have collected them all from the first
cads: moiety: A one armed bandit is a slot machine, while the multi-armed bandit problem considers the best play in a situation with multiple slot machines with uncertain odds.
mircea_popescu: moiety it's a formulation of the explore/exploit dilemma
moiety: please say its online somewhere ThickAsThieves !
ThickAsThieves: Dancing Queen was the first cover song in my first punk band
moiety: i thought most bandits had multiple arms
cads: Hey guys, are you familiar with the multi-armed bandit problem?
mircea_popescu: which will likely get you sued and congress pass a law saying dollars have to be just as big as anything else on the tag!!1
mircea_popescu: the way to skirt this, for fun and profit, is obviously to open the 5th avenue shop with prices prominently displayed in bitcoin and a tiny print usd value underneath, like "We also take this shit if you absolutely must"
mircea_popescu: nor are you allowed to pull the "this is just as good as usd" liberty dollar scam.
mircea_popescu: but you're not allowed to open a shop on 5th avenue which lists all prices in bitcoin and doesn't take usd,
mircea_popescu: diametric the other interepretation is, that as long as you price your goods in dollars you're fine, and as long as you accept someone';s offer of doobaloos for your items you're also fine,
moiety: ah i forget those, go wandering into all kinds of sentences unwittingly
mircea_popescu: gotta keep the double standards.
mircea_popescu: you see, bois are fully allowed to love mac clintock, but god forbid a woman mentions abba like she heard of it.
moiety: i also learned today that ABBA admitted they wore the outfits they did for tax deductions
cads: yes, the views, the views, gotta count the views...
mircea_popescu: cads AND VIEWS! pls do not forget the views.
cads: hmm, so the service boasts half a billion users
mircea_popescu: if i recall the original actually had good new england grammar
moiety: aw i think i find something good and it just turns out ive beenunder my rock for a while again lol
moiety: of course not! I've been banished from proper internetting for years! I loved his response though, fresh to me.