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nubbins`: suppose person X's traffic is being sniffed. person X sets up a private bitbet, with input address A and payout address B. sniffer observes this. sniffer now knows that person X controls address B.
asciilifeform: what part of s/bitbetaddr/magicaddr is difficult to understand
Mallstromm: I'm sure not logging on my personal POP3, non-SSL email account through Tor
asciilifeform: sniffing and, if they wish, changing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd tell you but i'm trying being polite ot the noobs.
Mallstromm: good for them
Mallstromm: sure, exit nodes are sniffing my encrypted traffic
MisterE: only tru anon
nubbins`: maybe i'm just being obtuse, but i'm not sure where the confusion is here
mircea_popescu: get in the wot, come back in a year, i might care. probably i won't, but anywya.
mircea_popescu: Mallstromm may i point out that the firm guarantees of nobody are worth nothing ?
MisterE: sounds like CDF to me
asciilifeform: dignork, Mallstromm: if you're using tor, children are sniffing your traffic
MisterE: hah, people are selling off interest in their coins locked up in Cox
Mallstromm: dignork: I've used bitcoinfog many times. It works just fine. They've been in business for more than a year now. It's as safe as it gets. Just do not send hundreds of coins but a few dozens at a time
dignork: Mallstromm, I assume LE sniffing bitbet traffic
Mallstromm: dignork: well, if LE is sniffing your traffic that means they are physically VERY CLOSE to you... Thus you have much bigger problems
dignork: mircea_popescu: i do not mean script kiddie intercepting plaintext http traffic to bitbet, I mean trivial for law enforcement for example
Apocalyptic: i'm pretty sure they are selectively scamming
mircea_popescu: How the service works
Mallstromm: what it's sure is that sending the "tainted" coins from address A to receive them back to address A is just retarded.
nubbins`: but i don't trust bitcoinfog
Mallstromm: if you want to tumble your coins, just send them to bitcoinfog.com and follow the procedure
mircea_popescu: Mallstromm did you want to contribute something ?
mircea_popescu: dignork maybe trivially doesn't mean what you think it means.
nubbins`: Mallstromm, they took a break
nubbins`: but the guy monitoring his non-https traffic is observing him placing these bets
Mallstromm: are you guys still discussing about the retarded "bitbet as a tumbler" issue?
dignork: mircea_popescu: assuming it's a private bet, placed over clear channel, it's trivially linked
mircea_popescu: either A or B is "dirtly", the rest are clean.
mircea_popescu: take a bet with a:b odds. place bet A on a going to A', bet B on b going to B'. ☟︎
dignork: mircea_popescu: I don't care if it's called tumbler, the idea is that person A sends funds to person B in untraceable way. Placing bet over public channel is not so untraceable.
nubbins`: "i am the solvent"
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder solvent in the sense of sniffing glue ?
pLambert: use bitbet as tumbler: put in small bet on winning side, put in large (to be laundered) bet on the losing side. Voila, instead of having stolen bitcoins you now have gambling winnings.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as this is true, and you wish to do "x-tumbler-dance" obviously bitbet won't be a good solution for oyu.
mircea_popescu: but moreover are trying to do a particular dance.
mircea_popescu: 're proceeding with a clear understanding of what you wish to achieve
mircea_popescu: i don't think you
dignork: mircea_popescu: yep, I meant onion addr, the point is to encrypt the traffic, not identity of the player
mircea_popescu: it doesn't as an onion, no, if that's what you meant
asciilifeform: bitbet is perfectly accessible over tor. but exits can easily substitute in magic addrs instead of the supplied ones.
dignork: mircea_popescu: I meant it does not implement hidden service, or at least I couldn't find the interface
mircea_popescu: dignork why isn't it accessible over tor ?!
dignork: mircea_popescu, sorry I had to jump offline for a bit, back to the using bitbet as a tumbler, private bets do provide this function, but bitbet.us is not accessible over tor and does not work over https...
benkay: but those are the best bets!
pLambert: nah, I dont like to bet on idiots
nubbins`: willing to put some money behind that?
nubbins`: in a day or two, heh
pLambert: so, when MtGox goes away in a day or two, will the price on the other exchanges go back up to 1000?
benkay: us young guys - too young to get shitloads of dollars into btc at the right time, doomed to toil for the cryptolords forever.
mircea_popescu: young guy, anwyay. too soon to say where he ends up.
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mircea_popescu: i tell you i dun see governor.
benkay: and i *like* the place.
mircea_popescu: check that out, a closed deli outranks him in ny.
mircea_popescu: i think he may be trying for a job in the actual institutions
mircea_popescu: nah they have a commie kid for mayor, he'll stick till the town sinks.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ends up in a coinlab-esque trial.
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ThickAsThieves: is pot legal in NY yet? he can add that to his agenda
Bugpowder: I stopped the terrorists and created 2.5 million jobs with my bit license
benkay: sounds like typical usg propaganda
nubbins`: a cool thing
mircea_popescu: today is 2014, and needless to say...
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (sarcastically) Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents.
ThickAsThieves: kinda surprised bitstamp price is hanging in there
mircea_popescu: course it could just as well go to 3983409583409853098 on the 1st
mircea_popescu: ya bitbet will make what, 1 btc there ?
benkay: weight's working correctly on that one too.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this will burn.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` at least it's not titstrap.
mircea_popescu: and i don't see it happening on twitter...
mircea_popescu: i'm pasting this here because i'd like at least one person to get it.
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mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @TMFHousel @EddyElfenbein Thank you Mr. Candide. Pangloss is calling, run along now.
mircea_popescu: Morgan Housel @TMFHousel Critics: Mark Zuckerberg understands the value of social networks better than you do. That's why he's Mark Zuckerberg and you're a critic.
nubbins`: lovely responsive design there
kakobrekla: i dunno just got the link from bug :>
mircea_popescu: how many days are there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol they do payouts once a day ? suicide.
mircea_popescu: don't they do the sdice include inputs in outputs ?
benkay: mircea_popescu dignork: even so, private bets hold addresses...private, keeping third parties from bridging through scraping bitbet
dignork: mircea_popescu, for proper tumbling return address should be passed out of band, reading about private bets now
mircea_popescu: lol it'd be epic if they actually put a dice system in.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if gox will go to single digits
mircea_popescu: dignork so what if the address is posted ?
ThickAsThieves: now if BitBet itself also needs to clean coins, i could see this working out
dignork: ThickAsThieves: yes, you can, but return address is posted in the betting transaction
benkay: dignork: bet wins are returned to the address of your choice - get it right.
benkay: ThickAsThieves: you can check with mircea_popescu and kakobrekla but i believe you'll be getting older coins than you put int.
dignork: ThickAsThieves, coins might be different, but bitbet is useless for hiding, bet wins are returned to the same address, or the one mentioned in initial transfer, so it's easy track
ThickAsThieves: they are just sent back to you, no?
ThickAsThieves: but the coins arent even cleaned
Mallstromm: maybe they were referring to Mircea's "milky-white chest"
benkay: mircea_popescu: referring to your link ibm/bitcoin poster and the failure of education
nubbins`: yeah, i guess it's a bit of a reach that weeaboos could organize in meatspace
ThickAsThieves: Lawsky: Hard to put the genie back in the bottle. I can't predict the future but Bitcoin is certainly a new powerful technology that holds a lot of promise for the future if we can mitigate some of the potential negatives like money laundering.
ThickAsThieves: "Many bitcoin enthusiasts think that the widespread adoption of some form of cryptocurrency is an inevitability and that unfriendly governments such as China and Russia will ultimately be powerless to stop it. Do you share this view?"