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jurov: mp is keen
to be unpredictable. back in 2012 mpex even paid btc interest at random
time every day
jurov: but it doesn't
take long usually
mike_c: ah, i did not know
that. well, it is accurate now at least. could be improved for usefulness. my interest was mostly looking for extended downtime stretches.
jurov: so it's usual
there are none or
two same auotes at once even if all is okay
jurov: and
then sleps for random
time
too, perhaps
jurov: it places orders with some random expiration
time
jurov: better would be really
to show average uptime in
the period
mike_c: hm. is it not useful
that it went up and down often?
jurov: the
times where it went up and down often don't give any useful info
mike_c: why not? looks fixed
to me
mike_c: just don't
tell anyone what we
talked about while OTR
there.
kakobrekla: but its much better experience ircing
this way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.80943206 BTC
to 321`963 shares, 562 satoshi per share
Bugpowder: oh i followed
the chain... comes back
to 1LNW...
kakobrekla: anyway, its coming from
the mouth of new cog pr named samuel
ozbot: Ken Shirriff's blog:
The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour
ozbot: Ken Shirriff's blog:
The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour
kakobrekla: >2.)
The "missing div" period was a result of very bad luck. Right now we don't have any way
to prove
this, but its what happened.
kakobrekla: >1.) Unfortunately, we don't have a financial report yet. Putting one
together is going
to be a very
time consuming process, and we don't have
the
time quite yet. Soon
though.
Bugpowder: looking for a single big
transfer
to a putative cold wallet
Bugpowder: I am downloading
the
transaction history of
that address
jborkl: so, it would seem
there would have
to be
two different ways used or Mtgox was super duper special and got hit with a unique attack
that was used on no one else
Namworld: Is
that
the MtGox green address?
jborkl: davout,
the person scanned for all
transactions
that uses op_pushdata, from what I understand
that should be very limited
to a certain problem being fixed- normally about 40 a day- it was 19 I
think on Feb 7th and did not rise until
the 10th
Bugpowder: That was
the address
they sent 500,000BTC
to back in 2011.
Bugpowder: where are
the other mtgox addresses?
Namworld: What's not good with
that, Bugpowder?
davout: jborkl: it's not impossible
that
the massive "let's fuck with every single
tx floating around" isn't
the same attack mtgox is referring
to
Bugpowder: At first glance,
this does not seem encouraging.
jborkl: now let me find
the data
that was posted
jborkl: for one of
the affected
transactions from before Feb 7,
to see what was going on.
jborkl: One puzzle is
that Mt.Gox announced
their difficulties on Feb 7, and
then explained Feb 10
that
they were stopping withdrawals due
to a malleability attack. Since
the OP_PUSHDATA2 attack didn't start until Feb 9,
this attack can't be responsible for
the Feb 7 problems. One possibility is
there was a different
type of malleability attack
that affected Mt.Gox. It would be interesting
to get
the hash
mike_c: ok, first off, let me make sure
the down/up is accurate in january.
mike_c: if you zoomed in on
the graph (not
the png), you would get
to 2 minute resolution
mike_c: the data has a 2 minute resolution.
the graph is obv. somewhat less, but it is
taken from
that data.
ThickAsThieves: namworld you lost me, i'll i'm saying is i bet if
the right people spend
the right amount of
time looking at orders placed and filled, you'd see gox
tzking everyone for a ride
mike_c: no, not all
the pikes are on
tick marks
mircea_popescu: from
that graph it either was down an entire day or up an entire day or some shit
Namworld: TaT, how would
that help? I didn't say manipulate
through fake orders. Just
through haltings, bad news, etc.
mircea_popescu: no way
tho, you mean it was down pretty much solid 8
to 10 jan ?
jborkl: Those are not BTC being
traded anyway,
they are Gox coins until
they prove
they have
the reserve
to back it
Namworld: How would one prove
that's not
the case?
Namworld: How? Mark can just claim he had
to do all
these haltings because of issues.
mike_c: little blips of up/down
time i guess.
Namworld: At a minimum,
they manipulate price for a profit.
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Namworld: No problem stealing your own business under
the eyes of authorities. Right in front of
them.
jborkl: That is
the proof in
the report, it showed
there were no malformed
txn even reported on
the day Gox said
Bugpowder: He is going
to much more jail if he straight plundered it all.
mircea_popescu: and stealing
the wallets is
totally unreasonable, because he's going
to jail.
jborkl: and I read
the report about
the
txn problems, someone did a blockchain analysis of
the Push_whatever attack-
the attack started 2 days after Gox got hit
ThickAsThieves: i assume gox committed every crime possible in regards
to exploiting
their system
Bugpowder: But
that doesn't make sense. Police care about
this shit now
jborkl: watcging
the youtube video of
the guy camping and confronting Karpeles,
they stole it
Bugpowder: If
the hypothesis is
that mtgox actively embezzled funds... Well
that is a possibility.
mircea_popescu: it's just
the perfect smoke cover, because people suffer from some sort of very particular brain issue.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> At least according
to aantop's latest podcast /// what makes him reputable?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder wait, you are actually buying
the "malleable
tx" bs ?!~
Bugpowder: but I guess
the market
thinks differently
Bugpowder: I just don't
think its plausible for
them
to be
that stupid
ThickAsThieves: i recall linking charts for at least a week or
two before
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder>
There were
that many malled
txns prior
to 2/10
to begin with. Certainly not enough
to drain
the cold storage ... source?
Bugpowder: At least according
to aantop's latest podcast
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> how
they fuck could
they get
the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible << what exactly is not plausible about it ?
Bugpowder: It is a known fact
that many devs
told
them
their method was vulnerable
kakobrekla: its no point discussing,
take your positions if you can, and wait it out
ThickAsThieves: well if you are implying
they noticed long ago, why did
they not fix it?
Bugpowder: There were
that many malled
txns prior
to 2/10
to begin with. Certainly not enough
to drain
the cold storage
Bugpowder: The
test where you are like... Hey my accounting says I need
to pay out 100,000BTC from
the wallet and oh hey we have been manually resending 100,000BTC in
transactions... And oh hey people have been
telling us for months
that our specific implementation is vulnerable
to a malleability attack... I wonder if something is funky
ThickAsThieves: next
theyll probly say authorities are investigating
the malleability exploiters, so many funds and accounts are frozen until resolution
kakobrekla: davout i
think he is
trying
to imply
tux has one
davout: Bugpowder: what do you mean
the common sense
test?
Namworld: Either way, right now having fiat on gox allows
to buy 2x
the BTC you'd get at other exchanges.
Bugpowder: Doesn't pass
the common sense
test
davout: Bugpowder: you get
the cold wallets drained by having your accounting fucked with. plain and simple
Bugpowder: them being incompetent at rolling out a code fix and
terrible at communication is.