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cads: ThickAsThieves:
that's a very very important point
to me
cads: I was particularly proud of our machine for
that
cads: where
the part
that
the company's overseas printer made would creak if you squeezed it
cads: we gave him a part
that was so strong you could club a seal with it
cads: this is what we were able
to do for our large client
ThickAsThieves: cads, even if
the minimum is perceived
to be more work
than needed, it does a very important
thing
cads: and keeps
the
truly cheap customers from even coming in
the door
cads: telling
them 100 stops
the games of when
the customer is assuming it'll only
take 20 minutes of design work.
cads: so right now my clients feel
too cheap
to pay $60 design fee, _and_
they find out how much I ostensibly work.
Mats_cd03: its a nice round number
that establishes value and leaves you with negotiating power
Mats_cd03: i
think charging $100 for every design would serve you well
cads: ThickAsThieves:
the customer may grudgingly accept
the price knowing full well
they will utilize only 10% of
the service bundle
they're purchasing. And
this is okay because it get
them
the play
they need.
thestringpuller: As
T-Pain would say, "Whatever I send out homie I'm a make back. Put
that on my Maybach"
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, maybe he meant it in
the karpeles way
ThickAsThieves: without it, you dont exist and cant provide
the service
they value
cads: by complying
to
the flat fee
they actually have
to come
to a stance
that it's at least fair-ish
ThickAsThieves: dont worry about what
they "sense"
the rates are on
the label
cads: I don't want
those minimal customers
to sense
that, lol
ThickAsThieves: youll need
that padding for
the ones
that are
the reverse
ThickAsThieves: also dont feel guilty when your flat feed is 500% more cost
than work was actually needed
to complete
mike_c: but
those are largely recurring
tasks, and
the fee can be adjusted if one side is unbalanced
mike_c: i have contracted out many many
tasks on hourly and flat-fee basis. both sides have always been happier with flat fee.
ozbot: Supreme Court ruling on campaign contributions: More clout for
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cads: for
the freemium
tier
the client gets
their design automatically validated by my software - I do
that for all prints anyways
cads: maybe have a "maker"
tier design service and a "industrial"
tier
nubbins`: aaah i'm fuckin crying watching
this video
ThickAsThieves: trying
to "play" it
to what you
think
the client will accept
ThickAsThieves: however it's just as much a burden on you as
tge customer
nubbins`: we had some snow here
the other day.
cads: one
thing I notice is
that charging people per hour seems
to
throw
them for a loop
cads: ThickAsThieves: I like
the flat rate approach!
cads: getting discouraged by my interactions so far would seem
to imply I've done everything under
the sun and it didn't work, but
that's not at all
true
ThickAsThieves: it's okay
to have standards and minimum
things worth your
time
cads: I don't want clients
that don't know how
to do well for
themselves, lol
cads: with
the clients I feel like just
talking
to
them about
their designs and what it would
take
to make
them makeable means
they get expert input without paying a dime, and
then
they realize
they can't afford
the job and we're out half an hour worth of email correspondence
time.
ThickAsThieves: if youve been doing it 10 yrs
this shouldnt be hard
to map out
ThickAsThieves: tell
them exactly what
they get for a flat rate, and what costs might be beyond
that
cads: to be honest I need
to learn more about how
to structure and price design work
cads: Mats_cd03: I wouldn't bill more
than
two hours for converting a 2d drawing into a part, say with one round of revision for
the client.
Mats_cd03: i
think
theres a sweet spot for pricing
that can still be profitable for a
two man operation
cads: or
they'll contact you wanting a huge order of 300 of some small, crude looking widget
cads: they're like "well lemme go back
to sketchup and see if I can make a part
that you'll say is makeable,
thanks"
cads: Mats_cd03:
the design service we offer is great - I have 10 years cad experience and so does my partner. And it's a good price - 35 an hour for
these low level cusomers (60 for corporate) - and where our corporate client is happy with our prices,
the low level clients hate
to even
think of paying 35 an hour....
MisterE: poorest customers are always
the most hassle
cads: I
think
that's definitely an area
to grow in,
though.
cads: we don't want
to deal with small people because
that kills our margins and forces us
to deal with really bad 3d modelling.
cads: We are local and so we can deliver faster
than
the major prototyping houses
Mats_cd03: since
theres no moat in 3d printing
Mats_cd03: the small bidness angle works better in
that space
punkman: cads, companies
that develop products likely don't need you. better
to
target designers, wannabe inventors, marketers, etc
drkow: satoshi will speak
to you for a free lunch
cads: Haha, I'll keep
that in mind!
Mats_cd03: when i do
things like
that i offer
to buy lunch and see
them in person
cads: so call random companies
that I know develop products, get someone medium level on
the phone and
then explain something like, "hey I'm cads with shopcoin prototypes, and
the reason I'm calling you
today is
to learn a little bit about how your company currently uses prototypes in its product design phase"
Mats_cd03: build a site with a nice
template and short, legible URL and
then start printing flyers
nubbins`: start going
to
trade shows etc
too
Mats_cd03: compile a list of companies operating in a space
that could use your service
cads: Mats_cd03: we're a 2 person product prototyping
team with a 3d printer and cad capability
jurov: bernankoin is
too unregulated
cads: I wanna make a site and push some calls out
to some other companies, I just... currently have no idea how
to do
that efficiently, and every reason
to learn how
pankkake: jurov: ahahah. not even a reference
to bernankoin
though :(
cads: I've got a small virtual firm, with just one client
that gives us a $1K job every couple of weeks
pankkake: "outillage" seems
to be a good keyword for finding
jborkl: Thank you for looking, I need
to buy a few and
the price controls are
tight.
pankkake: apparently
they don't want
the price
to be public
jborkl: Can you see what
the price of
this piece of equipment is,
the interwebs will not find it in english
Apocalyptic: well afaik mircea hasn't called out stamp on
trilema just yet
benkay: although
they had known epic haxx ahead of
time.
Apocalyptic: not asking you
to prove anything, just wondering
benkay: one of
those
things
that's hard
to prove ahead of
time.
Apocalyptic: benkay, btw what's your basis for
the "stamp may be running a fractional" ?
benkay: has
the gox practice of allowing unfunded bids and asks spread
to bitstamp et al.?
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benkay: is
this how
the pros do it?
benkay: jurov kakobrekla is usd/btc sensible in
the context of a bid/ask ratio?
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benkay: wow baratio
that's a new one
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assbot: You cannot stop
the clouds by
the building of a ship.
jborkl: but yeah $13
to $7? with pirate was pretty nasty, I
thought it was over
then
jborkl: idk $266
to $50 was rough