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mircea_popescu: it's mostly used derrisively
to bother anticultural and antiintellectual lines
mircea_popescu: something like "let us not dispell
the world's corolla of wonder"
mircea_popescu: one of his lines is meanwhile common cultural cliche in romanian, "sa nu strivim corola
the minuni a lumii"
mircea_popescu: there's a romaina guy
that did extensive "research" on
this
topic, his name was lucian blaga
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and
the average cunt with a hidden angler fish right under
the flesh would be also indistinguishable from
the average cunt.
mike_c: their faces would glow in
the dark
ozbot: Hair,
the musical pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bounce: didn't
they run
their own usd presses?
mike_c: and applying makeup
to
their soldiers
cads: and
their economy is so productive.
bounce: not sure if it's a cause or an effect, but
the shifting is happening, yes
mike_c: north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from
the us.
bounce: not a european country among
them. huh.
bounce: so who's got good or at least respectable humint going on
these days?
mircea_popescu: and who respect
themselves enough not
to live in
the cockroach
trap.
mircea_popescu: you know, brain surgeon ain't likely
to work for
the cockroach infested hospital. because he prefers working with people he respects,
bounce: the us fan club named nato and
the inner "five eyes" circle keeps on fapping on all
that wonderful computer-y stuff nsa and gchq must shirley have
mircea_popescu: when
there's so many so very much better offers o nthe
table.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you imagine someone with
the capability of running an actual spyshop could be lured
to work for
the us
cads: mircea_popescu:
touche
mircea_popescu: on
the actual ground,
the us has serious problems hiring people who don't spend most of
their
time wondering if "deep down"
theyt're really women or not.
mircea_popescu: cads
this sort of
thinking is fed by watching movies and faping on reddit.
bounce: I forget whose documentary it was where some cia operative went "well we just have
to step into all
these messes you lot (==all
the world) keep on being in" -- meaning it seriously and conveniently
turning a blind eye
to
the glaring fact it's
the us, more specifically
the cia,
that's been busy causing
the messes in
the first place
cads: is it really hard
to believe
that
they'd reveal some version of
their capabilities knowing
that fear and uncertainty would actually legitimize
those practices?
mircea_popescu: generally diplomacy by and large goes
the way of spyshop-y.
bounce: that more or less defines
the us int'l relations, spyish or otherwise
mircea_popescu: anyway : meanwhile
things have deteriorated, and
the us "spyshop" doesn't even count. it's in
there in
the 3rld world, between congo and indonesia or something
mircea_popescu: so basically
think fat kid
that's allowed in
the sikrit fraternity because he lets everyone borrow
the stuff his rich parents buy him
bounce: they're not a human spy shop, no.
they do deal in information and so also in misinformation.
mircea_popescu: rthe only difference betweenthem and
the french being
that
the french had no money, either.
mircea_popescu: the us humint was never any good, even at
the height of
the cold war
they were more of a laughingstoc operationally,
bounce: at
the same
time I find it hard
to see what
this leak could possibly achieve being misinformation. what would
they steer us away from and how massive would
that have
to be?
mircea_popescu: the us made
the mistaken strategic decision
to move from humint
to sigint at
the end of
the cold war.
cads: "obviously
the corporate leaks were not done by
the CEO" "But he's gotten great publicity!" "he's going
to spend his life in jail" "yeah but he'll be a mover/shaker in
the real world via his letters" "he hanged himself last night" "yeah but
this was all of his plan so
that now he can laugh at us and manipulate
the stock market from Hell"
bounce: it's a valid concern,
though. spy shops must be masters of misinformation.
cads: anyways mircea_popescu I'm glad my argument for heavily doctored NSA papers is not strong. I saw similar arguments claiming
the pentagon papers were exactly what
the higher ups wanted released, nothing more, nothing less, and
those arguments seem cranky
moiety: i dont even know how i ended up on
that site. but im glad i met BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: not
to imply anything about either your bra filling abilities or his bar hopping skills.
mircea_popescu: moiety i imagine cupcake mantits met snowden
the same way you met BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj more like "because
they fucked up a bitbet."
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to drop under $400 before June
bounce: one of
the reasons I bought a nokia e52 was because
there was cryptophone source available
that was supposed
to work on
that
thing
moiety: mircea_popescu: no but still, how did
they meet? and she did know about what e was going
to do,
they left
their home in may.
mircea_popescu: cads he's just a random has-been
talking about
the
topic of
the moment, imo.
cads: two of
those
three are probably false :D
cads: everyone knows
they're recording
the phone calls, now everyone believes
that
they can only keep
the phone calls for a month,
that
the program
to do it is called MYSTIC, and
that it hasn't been used against
the US
cads: so possibly he's doing us a favor by explaining
the capabilities in more complete way
bounce: journos are not great at
this
tech
thing
cads: when he covers a larger new outlet's story on
the revelation of a new capability, he's always pointing out
the
technical ways in which
the capabilities go further
than
the article explains
cads: mircea_popescu: if he's an agent why
talk about
these capabilities?
To brag. And more importantly
to mislead and misinform.
bounce: too bad cryptophones et al are still
too spendy
cads: it's kinda like he's playing some kind of
theatre, dazzling and shocking us with
these capabilities,
then here and
there dropping a paragraph about how we should do something against
them
cads: more recently he covered something called MYSTIC, which is a system
that can "record 100% of a nation's phone calls"
cads: mircea_popescu: also I know you don't like schneier, but for a while he had his "NSA Exploit of
the day"
that was a near daily analysis of a new exploit from his researches of
the leaked documents - here he apparently concludes
that with basically saying, I've shown you all
these exploits. Now we need
to come up with ways
to defend against
them because not only
the NSA will use
them, but also criminals and other countries
turbo_ac100: I have a different user ID on
the keyserver and eregistered here. Matters?
moiety: can anyone explain
to me how a self-confessed "indoor cat" like snowden ended up with a model gf? im suspicious of
this
mircea_popescu: cads snowden was a contractor. he didn't have access
to
the strategic bundle.
moiety: BingoBoingo: can we play chess
tomorrow or soon? preferrably after you have had a
ton of vodka
Duffer1: though given clappers' behavior it's not like we even need snowden
to know such material exists
cads: that's highly likely, and it would be nice if someone acknowledged
the documents snowden didn't manage
to get
Duffer1: strategies
to counter congress likely weren't as available as
the rest of snowden's material
cads: after building
the case
that
they're fucking everyone, he would have been like "but
this.
This is what
they really don't want you
to see"
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cads: I would imagine
those would be
the first
to be released if snowden had
them, and was hardcore
cads: and where are
those studies?
cads: I
think it's reasonable
that
they would have made study of factors
that could legitimately destabilize
them, and come up with ways
to counter.
Duffer1: cadswhat scares
the NSA? >> any entity
that could
threaten its funding
cads: but more likely
those documents simply didn't make it into
the package snowden has revealed
cads: maybe
the agency doesn't know itself well enough
to imagine it has _any_ fears
BingoBoingo: Possibly. She has yet
to
tweet
this month, and seemed rather interested in
the
topic.
This reading
thing is a hell of a drug
bounce: that with
tweets maxing at 160 chars and irc messages at a little more, wouldn't it make sense for ozbot
to special-case
twitter.com/.../status/... and include
the actual
tweet?
cads: it's not in
the documents
cads: or
the people behind it?
cads: what scares
the NSA?
cads: Nowhere do we see documents on what
the NSA percieved
to be a serious
threat!
cads: so one hypothesis is
that
there's a body of people
that had
this information made up
to some extent, at
the very least glorifying
the capabilities and making
them seem starkly unopposeable.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if reutereEmily is going
to cover
the NeoBee fiasco
turbo_ac100: ;;gpg eregister
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cads: and now, even with
the revelations, normal people are even _less_ likely
to want
to imagine
their capabilities and how
to fight
them
cads: the way it's being covered just seems suspicios -
the
technologies are made
to sound super duper scary, almost unimaginable, and nobody I've read is writing any serious counterplans
mircea_popescu: kinda
the reason why
the rsa corp is going
the way of cisco.
cads: I mean, you're familiar
that QUANTUM is allegedly a massive attack and risk mitigation suite with a huge encyclopedia of attacks and expert systems for deploying
them. And
that other aspects of
the
tailored access unit have allegedly done such
things as pushing backdoors into cryptoprotocols.