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Apocalyptic: coins on the other hand...
mircea_popescu: see, if only you had tits..
mircea_popescu: pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...
mircea_popescu: if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.
pankkake: I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up
bounce: ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
mircea_popescu: pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
ozbot: Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee
Mats_cd03: the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)
Mats_cd03: the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
bounce: nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
Mats_cd03: you know, game theory, etc etc
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
mircea_popescu: im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.
asciilifeform: but they go great together.
mircea_popescu: plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi
asciilifeform: where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge
Mats_cd03: that ill never be able to traverse the stars
asciilifeform: well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'
mircea_popescu: and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: the people of wallmart thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.
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bounce: ;;google fridge logic tvtropes
asciilifeform: and since when does a military trial use a jury ?
bounce: though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.
bounce: wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
asciilifeform: i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.
mircea_popescu: on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
bounce: to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.
asciilifeform: bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.
bounce: what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk.
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mike_c: ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
mircea_popescu: wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.
asciilifeform: trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.
mircea_popescu: "my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"
nubbins`: st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
nubbins`: it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty
asciilifeform: one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'
asciilifeform: i've been to four of these
asciilifeform: they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room
mircea_popescu: i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
nubbins`: selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up
mircea_popescu: each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.
asciilifeform: adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat
mircea_popescu: not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?
asciilifeform: ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.
nubbins`: altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations
asciilifeform: e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there
turbo_ac100: mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
nubbins`: generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
asciilifeform: but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go
asciilifeform: the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'
jurov: nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD
asciilifeform: it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
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nubbins`: ...now that's a link
asciilifeform: having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.
mircea_popescu: someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
mircea_popescu: "Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
nubbins`: mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
nubbins`: booze in the grocery store
mircea_popescu: not being around at the time.
mircea_popescu: they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
mircea_popescu: http://redblow.com/stuff/anna-tatu-naked-in-grocery-shop/anna-tatu-11.jpg < that's her anyway.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
nubbins`: not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
VanCleef: whatever happened to those chicks?
nubbins`: sorry, t.A.T.u.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
mircea_popescu: buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
nubbins`: eventually decided it was for tree roots
nubbins`: was always curious about the serrated edge
mod6: entrenching tool
nubbins`: i have one of those
rithm: mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
mircea_popescu: if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
mod6: crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.
mircea_popescu: seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
rithm: your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town
rithm: spend a little time each night sharpening my axe
rithm: i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
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rithm: the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
mircea_popescu: perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
mircea_popescu: i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin
rithm: how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's
nubbins`: convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
nubbins`: aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
asciilifeform: to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.