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chetty: well
the machine wont work without cogs, and good cogs are better
danielpbarron: eh, i'm giving
them
too much credit, he didn't come off
that well in his own forum
thread;
they had adequate warning
chetty: due diligence is seriously lacking among
the muppets
danielpbarron: anyone who bothered
to read
the bio of
that Dr. Whateverhisnameis would have known
to stay far away from
that "investment"
jurov: so what was
the point of fungibility part?
chetty: cause
thats
the way MP writes, he exaggerates everything
to make a point
jurov: bounce why
the fungibility highlight
then?
bounce: jurov: I
think you misread
the piece.
the guy had an enthousiastic stable of creatives. all he really had
to do was keep'em focused, which does not include letting
them hare off every which way.
nubbins`: "i want my son
to be my best friend"
chetty: its like raising kids, parents
try
to be friends not parents. You just need
to be
the boss, not
their friend
chetty: jurov, you dont need
to
that hard on employees. what you need is
their respect.
Shakespeare: and any of
those guys probly dont need you
Shakespeare: if you hire online people,
they need
to have super
track record of delivering
jurov: Trying
the first one, maybe I should do
the second instead
Shakespeare: in my own experience, online
thing is much worse and harder
to manage employees/quality
Shakespeare: was your intent
to be a net-based workplace?
jurov: they failed
to deliver
too, btw.
Shakespeare: maybe merge with some other co
that offers good ones?
Shakespeare: yeah if
they hard up, just
the promise of moneymight do
jurov: Or
their mortgage.
Shakespeare: it could even be
their own desire
to see
the work done
jurov: And once you pay full salary, you have
to be super boss...
jurov: Seems
they wanted guaranteed salary and I did not feel like bullshitting
them.
Shakespeare: kinda seems you might be worrying
too much about being super boss
this early
Shakespeare: do you wish
they didnt lose interest? or was it indicative of
their likely performance anywya?
jurov: Just worked
together with few people
that would be potential employees
jurov: Um, I did not go
to
that point yet.
Shakespeare: eventually you just fire
the ones
that do because it makes
them useless
Shakespeare: i have a dictator in me, but it's a muddled one and I still can revert
to worrying about employees hating me, etc
Shakespeare: and impossiblly frustrating
to educate
the
target audience i chose
Shakespeare: mainly found it impossible
to find
talent locally
[KS]: mircea_popescu: I see your point, but it's an improper use of
the word "scam". A scam is a fraud. A good corp in a bad market is just
that. You made a bad investment and calling it a scam is just shifting
the blame. Of course, don't
try
to explain
them word
things
to "investors".
jurov: So
the only option left is
to have own company.
jurov: And I can't do
the
travelling,freelancing and squatting nomad either, attractive it may be.
Shakespeare: he didnt build
the
thing without intigation
Shakespeare: or, maybe your decision as a good boss, migth be
to hire a better manager
jurov: That was what
tfa was about.
jurov: Dunno. If I want
to have company and attract and keep
talent,
that's what i need
to become
Shakespeare: it was mostly about running a
tight ship, regardless of your experience performing
the art
Shakespeare: we're getting away from
the spirit of
the Quimby article i
think
though
Shakespeare: so when inferior beings frustrate your plans how does
that make you feel?
Shakespeare: it's not
thaty
they felt superior, it;s
that
they ARE superior
Shakespeare: Jobs and
the underlings he despised were probably several layers of mgmt removed
jurov: There just *had*
to be some feeling of superiority in
them
to do what
they did
Apocalyptic: now
that's beside
the point, maybe
they did, maybe
they don't
jurov: Do you
think Jobs and Schmidt did not despise(or had similar feeling)
the underlings?
Apocalyptic: (re
the salary argument, "does
this guy really deserve
to be paid xxxx ? he does nothing...")
Apocalyptic: and
that is shouldn't be underestimated, as it
tremendously often is
Shakespeare: look at
the hiring lockout
thing between apple/google etc
Shakespeare: i
think you'd find
the working environment of successful "bean bag" companies
to not be all espresso machines and fun
Apocalyptic: jurov, I saw
the point as a real life exemple of
the value of management
Shakespeare: he merely does not need
to
totally understand what
they do
Shakespeare: a
team does need a leader jurov, but a leader doesnt despise his men
jurov: But
that's beside
the point. I saw
the point "as do not
treat anyone as exceptional"
jurov: Apocalyptic if i consider
them somehow,i'll behave
too
jurov: Quite
the opposite. And
they worked for him and
the results were excellent.
Apocalyptic: the way you consider
them however is something else
Apocalyptic: the way you behave
towards people is in no way related
to
their potential fungibility
jurov: it's closely related
to
the fungibility
jurov: But I don't want
to surround me with people I secretly despise!
jurov: only
then
they stay in my company
jurov: not play
toward
their creative side
jurov: Looks if i want
to have more people around, I have
to actually and mercilessly use
them
jurov: that fred quimby
trilema stuff got me
thinking
locksmith: so we must be
the same person, you know?
locksmith: I have actually never even spoken
to
ThickAsThieves, but
this guy sees I come
to
this channel and so doees
ThickAsThieves
pankkake: lol,
they're never out of sockpuppet conspiracies
locksmith: no,
this guy in reddit
thinks
that my username
there, sherlocksmith, and my nick here, locksmith, is
ThickAsThieves' alt identity
locksmith: ok, also if you guys see
ThickAsThieves let him know I'm his alt-ego
mircea_popescu: anyway, my car's here so ima split. if
the bitcoinshop.us
tards show up, have
them make an appointment. nothing before 8pm gmt.
locksmith: that's
their strong department,
traffic
locksmith: the most
terrifiying
thing about cyprus police is if you do a
traffic violation
locksmith: you can go about
the island and you only see police in
their cars going around
locksmith: for all
the shit
that Cyprus is, our police here is very mild
MisterE: no more
tax revenue from me
MisterE: 8-years ago I saw
the writing on
the wall
mircea_popescu: never has a
thing as powerless as
the state ever been invented.
MisterE: they sure have
turned
the
tables on
that one
MisterE: friend of mine got
tazed because cops were
there when he got home and he couldn't believe it
locksmith: mircea_popescu I was
trying
to not sound
too
terrorist-ish - I'm not hiding my IP :p
MisterE: in WA if someone calls police for domestic violence someone *must* go
to jail
MisterE: it's
tilted so far in favor of woman in WA
locksmith: MisterE now
that's just fucked up. if
that happened
to me nobody would ever see me again
MisterE: you want
to file in Bexar County
TX
MisterE: terrible state
to get divorced