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tg2: canada has that
decimation: right, my only point is that they are all fractional reserve banks on the British model. The bezzle follows you everywhere
tg2: but the reverse
asciilifeform: 'you grew up in our glorious motherland? still want to leave, bastard? fine - pony up $1mil, to cover the cost of building you'
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chetty: exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent
asciilifeform: now let's say they stop honouring renunciations
asciilifeform: chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees
decimation: as if foriegn banks operate in the interest of their account holders
chetty: yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days)
decimation: "oh, you've become an American now? good on ya - you sail for the King now"
decimation: true. just like the Royal Navy in the early 1800's
asciilifeform: just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick
asciilifeform: the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to
moiety: a lot of people seem to have turned their attention to canada thesedays
decimation: I don't think that actually works
chetty: when they actually build that border fence you know you are trouble
ozbot: More than 3,100 Americans renounced citizenship last year: FBI - National | Globalnews.ca
decimation: yeah, this is true. I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome?
asciilifeform: much cheaper/easier than having to rocket out later.
asciilifeform: best advice for folks not yet parked in the gravity well is 'stay the hell out'
decimation: well, the us today is pretty much an enormous chumpatron
moiety: and theres the kind that wind up there out of obligation
asciilifeform: and there's the kind which crunches eagerly, like chocolate
asciilifeform: there is, for instance, a kind of gristly and sinewy chump that grinds apart in the chumpatron very reluctantly
asciilifeform: decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump.
moiety: he just threw a post up on a forum
decimation: ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game
moiety: not the construction being free asciilifeform but it was paid for by the money from the people occupying the land for him, which is actually part of the terms. win win
moiety: decimation: it all depends how long/hard you are willing to look. its not like its listed anywhere
moiety: the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually
asciilifeform: not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing
moiety: asciilifeform: one guy claimed 50 hectares, started to build, got some people occupying the land at a rented rate, paid for the build. free house, lots of land
asciilifeform: decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat
asciilifeform: moiety: while you're at it, we can also note that living far out at sea is free
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asciilifeform: tg2: the folks who 'bought' during bubble peak, etc. are still doomed
tg2: there needs to be some recourse for home owners that get "reevaluated" at 10% more when their house has not inreased in value
tg2: property tax is the biggest scheme
asciilifeform: tg2: more interesting than that. you can easily 'buy' the shark with the 'goldfish' price - because you are also paying with your arse virginity in that scenario
decimation: which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation
decimation: not only that, the local governments lard their coffers with property taxes
tg2: you trying to buy shark with goldfish budget
asciilifeform: 'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter'
asciilifeform: i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting
moiety: but you need a credit card to get a credit rating
moiety: you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating
moiety: i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses
asciilifeform: moiety: in u.s., folks with money traditionally keep credit cards, which are paid off as soon as they are used, for 'x percent back' crap.
chetty: moiety, but thats the whole bankster trap, in a nutshell
mircea_popescu: moiety thats just the contemporary implementation of "every man needs a lord"
moiety: asciilifeform: just seems so daft that you have to get messed up to get it and staying debt free actually harms you
asciilifeform: chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does - to him.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck difference does it make what he paid.
mircea_popescu: i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion.
asciilifeform: moiety: in the u.s. (no idea about elsewhere) - they have 'special' credit offers for the freshly bankrupt. with 40% interest, etc.
decimation: yeah that's the other population. obviously, neither is interested in paying anything for property maintenance
asciilifeform: man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid.
moiety: i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place.
asciilifeform: i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses
asciilifeform: actually, my understanding is that many of them are 'civilians' who went 'underwater'
decimation: yeah in my experience most "landlords" are real estate agents who generally are happy with a zero cashflow - they write off the depreciation against their income
asciilifeform: they exist, but tend to be 'for students' (even when hours away from any kind of school) and full of antiquated crap
asciilifeform: on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live.
decimation: the assumption is that only lowlifes with no credit rent
decimation: ascii I do agree with your point about rental property. I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying"
asciilifeform: perhaps those are... free.
chetty: hahaha save the man some travel $$
decimation: ascii you should just rent a room in the marriott across from fort meade
decimation: I thought you were talking about that. as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive
asciilifeform: first thought was 'gasenwagen'
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asciilifeform: so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive:
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea who told you people cement works for this application btw
mircea_popescu: but no, these were just poorly maintained state highways
decimation: yeah that was after they spent billions on the "big dig"
tg2: we have that problem in quebec currently
mircea_popescu: which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back in 2004 mass was fighting like 3 separare wrongful death suits arising out of chunks of concrete coming off the road and flying into people's cars
decimation: heh. Fred Reed's blog is pretty classic too: http://www.fredoneverything.net/
mircea_popescu: he accidentally died of a self inflicted would while trying to propel himself with a nailgun
decimation: I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun
decimation: the northeast is the worst in my experience
decimation: the engineer who designed that bridge is probably crying
mircea_popescu: i went from new hampshire to new mexico.
decimation: as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast
decimation: heh no what are you talking about?
mircea_popescu: decimation you saw that epic bridge jury rig btw ?
mircea_popescu: and this was a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: it shocked me what poor state of repair the infrastructure was
decimation: yeah the infrastructure is getting very spotty
decimation: fred reed money quote: "My wife Violeta, a Mexican, describes the United States as a Third World country with a First World infrastructure (un pais tercermundista con infraestructura primermundista)"
tg2: lol transcript: dude is retarded. I watch that video when I want to feel better about my crypto portfolio.
decimation: well, the wikipedia is the lowest common denominator of american thinking
mircea_popescu: with culture like this illiteracy seems an impossibility.
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's all they have to say about taki, that he called some simian looking jew "homely" and that fascists taking over greece'd be an improvement over the current sort of socialists ?
mircea_popescu: decimation that wikipedia article is perhaps the best indictment of the "wikipedia" notion of an encyclopedia one could devise.
jborkl: It is the same density as gold
MisterE: tungsten heavy like that?