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nubbins`: i still use pico when i have need
to create flat
text files
Shakespeare: mp is
trying
to
tell you, you dont decide how
things work
bounce: used
to use pico for ages.
mircea_popescu: most of
the
trilema
that's not written in vi is written in nano
daybyter: but
take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.
robwhiz22: I
then stated: "As beautiful as
the idea is,
the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing
this conclusion.
The main points are summarized below."
daybyter: nah....you can use lisp with nano,
too.
bounce: for me,
the biggest off-putting
thing
to learning lisp keeps on being having
to accept emacs in
the deal.
mike_c: satoshi hacked
together bitcoin. still waiting for
that rewrite..
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:
the bathtub catapult has some potential
robwhiz22: u can actually use
that private key while preserving
the above guarantees."
robwhiz22: This is how I started
the email: "As described in your introduction
to its specs,
the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be
to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on
to work, and
to be uncompromised, while it remains on
the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo
mircea_popescu: it's not even anything else
than *i don't
think i could be bothered
to use compuers at all without
that*
ozbot: Loper OS »
Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines
mircea_popescu: that's
the happy medium here, i
tell you : hack
the shit in c,
then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going
to be used by others for anything
bounce: as long as
the "coding" is, er, "easy"?
bounce: "run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular
these days
too
mircea_popescu: rather
than
take my ability away
to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep
to find what i wanted in
the logs
mircea_popescu: imh&uo, what's needed is a way
to convert exploratory code from c
to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will you be
terribly annoyed with me if i point out
that in fact
the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I don't know.
The address says "polimedia.us"
robwhiz22: mike_c, no, you have misunderstood. I included it in my email
to Polimedia.
mike_c: this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked
the wrong victims.
mircea_popescu: what are you, from
the 50s ?
this is
the 21st century, work relations are fluid.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered
the email
to Polimedia and called you
the chief engineer - which is why I
thought he was, 'your boss.'
mircea_popescu: what am i, a highschool
teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?
benkay: or pastebin
the letter
mircea_popescu: suppose you just write
the elevator speech in
the next five minutes
robwhiz22: mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of
the details in
the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with
the proposal.
fluffypony: mike_c: also
the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for
the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you
mike_c: let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for
the full details of
the critique.
bounce: it's
the cartwheels, I'm
telling ya
nubbins`: why don't we just keep
this circular "discussion" going instead
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss
to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)
mircea_popescu: i am however not
transforming
this into "please send me anon emails". you want
to critique it, either publish it on cryptome,
that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter
to
the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with
this. i am more
than willing
to extend
the welcoming of critique
to his readership, because if he judged
this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.
bounce: a letter in
the mail/ in braille/
to johnny quest/
benkay: stop derping and put it
to
the
test.
bounce: it sux! --
there, universal critique of
teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?
robwhiz22: You have my letter.
The cardano is not fit for any purpose
today. (But
this can change easily.) Why don't you read my letter
then.
bounce: well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name.
there's gotta be irony in
there somewhere.
fluffypony: benkay: GO like
the language, or must we just go?
bounce: oh, who was
that philosopher guy with
the headcase for exactly
that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language
than
there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause
to be effect and vv
benkay: you
thought 3 line method calls were a
thing?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine. Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned
that interest, is up
to you
to communicate.
fluffypony: Poem Masters will ensure
that code is sung
mircea_popescu: just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style
to
the possible detriment of meaning = calophile
bounce: alliterative code. maybe
the next scrum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just denotes
the general preocupation. doesn't have
to be a poem
mircea_popescu: it's a love of
the form of phrase, unrelated
to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.
mircea_popescu: hm i guess im
the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed
to mean.
bounce: including
the
thing about warm necrofilia?
fluffypony: yeah you'll have
to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay
mircea_popescu: benkay don't worry,
the past
two dozen lines were all a setup for me
to say "become benkay"
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind
that makes you
think i could conceivably give a shit about your proposal.
mircea_popescu: that stock answer is, join here, build
the relationship you seem
to imagine you already have,
talk after.
jurov: asciilifeform why all
the rage.. just finish
the damn
time machine and force K&R
to lisp instead on
that PDP
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer
to all
those
that insist
to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I would have preferred not
to chat in here but of course am happy
to do so if he requires it.
ozbot: Loper OS »
The Wisdom of Erik Naggum
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted
to polymedia and responded
that "The best approach would be
to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.
mircea_popescu: therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims
to destroy our shit!!1"
mircea_popescu: " If you deny people
the opportunity
to defend something
they feel is under
threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe
that you
threaten
them on purpose and
that you willfully seek
to destroy something very valuable
to
them."
mircea_popescu: ce you have nothing
to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain
to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware
that you have been
taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".
mircea_popescu: and get
through such experiences. Most people are not willing even
to /listen/
to arguments or information
that could
threaten
their comfortable view of
their own existence, much less
think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments"
that his way of life is just great
the way it is, it is a pretty good sign
that you let him set
the agenda once he realized
that his way of life was under
threat. Sin
mircea_popescu: Getting C programmers
to understand
that
they cause
the computer
to do less
than minimum is intractable.
They would not /use/ C if
they understood
this point, so if you actually cause
them
to understand it in
the course of a discussion, you will only make
them miserable and hate
their lives. People are pretty good at detecting
that
this is a likely outcome of
thinking, and it
takes conscious effort
to brace yourself
benkay: signifying
the SAME DAMN
THING