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MisterE: and many times before that similar systems all fail
minersdidit: zimbambwe was fiat money the dollar is credit money
MisterE: m3 is total money supply
HeySteve: it all depends on your timeframe, the general trend of bitcoin is appreciating currency however
minersdidit: extending credit and printing are 2 different things
MisterE: but pretty damn fast and relentlessly the printing presses are running
minersdidit: you dont even know how the fiat system functions
MisterE: not at that rate though ofc
MisterE: why you think Fed no publish M3 anymore?
minersdidit: everything that cost 1btc jan1st cost 2btc now
MisterE: many times over it's just reported funny so people can't see
minersdidit: have your dollars done that?
HeySteve: how is bitcoin worse than inflationary fiat currency which can be easily seized by bankrupt govts?
dub: -assets gives zero fucks about btc/usd, please find some way to die all of you
minersdidit: paying millions per day for a few thousand users
HeySteve: to succeed, it just has to be better than the competition
ozbot: Bitcoin Cost Per Transaction
HeySteve: with any new technology, first-movers prosper. bitcoin doesn't have to make everyone in the world wealthy to succeed
minersdidit: 1 bitcoin transaction costs $21 in miner subisdies today
minersdidit: never knew there was a debate
MisterE: you've added nothing new to the debate for like an hour now
minersdidit: dude bitcoin is a sophisticated wealth transfer mechanism with a clever story
MisterE: thanks for entertainment while I wait for the water filter service tech
HeySteve: minersdidit, presenting the bear case is one thing but being a pest is another
TestingUnoDosTre: your lame attempts to make me riled up are like lullabyes sending me to sleep
dub: who the fuck unleashed -otc upon us
minersdidit: this bear market has taken down alot of bitcoiners
akstunt600: but they arent this creative
TestingUnoDosTre: quit trying to pull this Morpheus bullshit on me, I'm not retarded
akstunt600: hahahhahahhahahh TestingUnoDosTre
minersdidit: the "price" you keep looking at is irrelevant because it merely reflects the last sale that occured its already history
TestingUnoDosTre: minersdidit makes me think I'm back in the days of AIM where someone has invented a bot to chat with you
akstunt600: minersdidit, is good troll who makes u think
minersdidit: testingunodostre: dude im the most honest guy in here.
TestingUnoDosTre: <minersdidit> for some reason my shitty freenode client wouldn't allow me to ignore you, so I will infrequently acknowledge your existence
akstunt600: Asics came too soon
akstunt600: you seem to forget that this wasnt supposed to grow this fast in the way it did
TestingUnoDosTre: how is it that it takes thousands of bitcoins sold to drop to 340, yet hundreds bought bring it back to 400?
akstunt600: minersdidit, wasnt supposed to
minersdidit: im a farmer in africa yep first thing to help my life is to download bitcoin core and sync the blockchain up
akstunt600: and new tech
akstunt600: for a new thing
minersdidit: its a horrible distribution method hence the insane volattilty we ahve
akstunt600: mniers are the mechanism for distributins
akstunt600: minersdidit, they arent free
MGK: anyone want to play madden on xbox one for bitcoin?
random_cat: somehow, minersdidit, that seems inferior to a blowjob
akstunt600: no that would not be good
minersdidit: the best thing that could happen now is if the block reward somehow failed
HeySteve: if I earned money for interweb arguments though, I'd do it a lot more
HeySteve: arguing with people over the interweb also does nothing and adds no new value, yet here we are
akstunt600: it processes transactions
minersdidit: it does not speed up transfers or add new value
akstunt600: wow minersdidit that is a gorss misunderstanding
HeySteve: MisterE, I don't think so. they could get PR being a part of it
MisterE: HeySteve: corps would have to shit that shit down ASAP
minersdidit: they are part of the transaction cost akstunt600
HeySteve: what if poor people could make profit mining crypto on their smartphones?
minersdidit: its very tiny
MisterE: when you buy a dollar there is a spread
minersdidit: when you buy a bitcoin theres a spread
akstunt600: its cheaper than mepsa
minersdidit: im still confused how bitcoin is suppose to help poor people
akstunt600: actually some of what is happening there is amazing
minersdidit: even if you gave a african farmer bitcoins they would instantly lose them to guys like eric voorhees
MisterE: don't know, just an idea I had this morning and keeps nagging at me
HeySteve: ok MisterE, how are you thinking of doing that?
minersdidit: they think "emerging" markets are late to the game or something lol
akstunt600: yeah and America is declinging and bowed toBrazil before IMF fucked them too
minersdidit: honestly some markets have been emerging for the last 3 centuries
MisterE: HeySteve: I was just thinking about one to address carbon emissions
minersdidit: emerging market is a politically correct term for shithole
akstunt600: for transact
minersdidit: why? they respond to profits
HeySteve: I am developing a currency with one of the goals being emerging market adoption
minersdidit: buy 1 BTC for 380, then sell for 365
akstunt600: minersdidit, Stop trolling now
minersdidit: you buy a bitcoin by the time you get to spend it its lost 5% of its value
MisterE: last few months has been a few things
minersdidit: becuase its too costly to use when you factor in the miner subsidy and bid/ask spreads
akstunt600: far to few
minersdidit: bitcoin has too little users
akstunt600: we have far to users
akstunt600: big time
minersdidit: seriously if i was in africa why would i submit my documents to 2 white idiots from a shithole in europe?
minersdidit: the funny part about bitcoin is even when you get it to connect to the "financial system"
HeySteve: just the other day I rode my elephant to the closest city with electricity so I could swap gold for bitcoin
minersdidit: 1m in africa is transfered with gold
akstunt600: beter than the dead curencies they had
benkay: you can trivially move money across the globe with bitcoin
minersdidit: and the miner subsidy
akstunt600: Yup, then came M-pesa
benkay: great news though
minersdidit: mpesa has a low fee rate compared to bitcoin
benkay: there are great remittance plays to be made using btc to move money for people, but it involves taking fiat on one side and paying fiat out on the other
MisterE: but they all want the processing network
HeySteve: yes, we trade AK47 bullets for elephant ivory, that's how things work here
kanzure: nobody outside the insular economics bubble wants money
benkay: nobody outside of the insular btc bubble wants btc
kanzure: nobody is transferring $1M using phone minutes