asciilifeform: this is not to say that 'impossible to logotron in ada', but that result will be 1) gargantuan 2) ~unreadable 3) likely buggy despite herculean effort
asciilifeform: so imho lost cause to try and calculate max size of page , even in such simple item as logotron
asciilifeform: not to mention what is upper bound for # of msgs in day ?
asciilifeform: i suppose it is theoretically possible to calculate upper bound... irc msg is only N chars max; and if full of nuffin but <a></a><a>...... but who can do this and guarantee no mistake ?
asciilifeform: bvt: imho it's just barely usable, and would defo benefit from rewrite in compiled lang where can turn knobs in realtime (i.e. cl)
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand 'don't need to concatenate'
asciilifeform: bvt: how do i throw into a tcp socket a formatted fetch of log, consisting of unknown length of "<a ... " + blah + "</a>" etc, w/out string munging ?
asciilifeform: ( cuz -- naturally -- wants dozen or so deps, each 1 weighing moar than sum total of what asciilifeform ever wrote, lol , and consisting of ??? )
asciilifeform: phf: alternatively , genesis the thing and i'ma maintain it. i might be the only daily user, and would be entirely fair for asciilifeform to carry the work of maintaining the thing.
asciilifeform: em. that way could fill it up with recents (e.g. diana_coman's v sigs; asciilifeform's last 'm' patch/sig) w/out hassling phf
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926776 << i can't speak for erryone, but, in case wasn't clear, asciilifeform spends HOUR+ (and sometimes several h) erry single day of the week reading coad at btcbase/patches ! it is quite essential tool , fully 20-30% boost of brain to asciilifeform . that being said, would be imho a++ if you found how to make it eat patches/sigs through a www-based hopper, like jurov's earlier it
asciilifeform: pc is quite literally analogous to the 1880s portrait of mains current, where in nyc erry mansion, factory, has shed with steam engine chugging away (when the stoker remembers to stoken, and when the leather drive belt not rotted yet..)
asciilifeform: witness how yer box has 9000 half-broken 'soft' garbage collectors (sometimes running in impedance-mismatch ~against~ one another) instead of 1 working iron-powered gc, etc.
asciilifeform: the 'pc micro revolution' popularized an imho extremely braindamaged concept of what is 'comp lang'. specifically, where folx think that the front syntax is somehow logically glued to the internal mechanics ( whereas is merely happenstance, pc provides such broken bedrock abstractions that forces erry new lang author to write compiler 'from 0' as if year were 1959, but this is merely happenstance, rather than logical inevitability )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926712 << it is entirely possible to have sane ~back end~ on which you, e.g., write in a lisp-flavoured skin when mangling trees, and a fortran-flavoured skin when want to run in constant space/time with fine control of flow; the bolix people -- had. in fact, arguably all machines have (presently piss-poor) incarnation of this concept, it is... the machine arch itself.
asciilifeform: i defo saw impressive storm of packets when was testing the bot locally.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926667 << 'Мы на горе всем буржуям Мировой пожар раздуем!'(tm)(r)(a. blok) . sometimes exactly what is needed, is flamethrower. can't speak for others, but this is what asciilifeform orig found appealing about mircea_popescu . there's no shortage of what needs burnin'
asciilifeform: (i.e. whatever one might plug 'battery gpg' into, could trivially extract privkey via timing side channel)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: whole story of how asciilifeform ended up with peh , if you recall, at one pt asciilifeform wanted to bake a battery-powered 'gpg replacement'. then went and saw what gpg actually consisted of, and found that not only koch liquishit, but broken on ~algo~ level
asciilifeform: but, naturally can expect that will run considerably slower than on pc. (my current estimate, factor of 30 or so, on the extant chips)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: peh-on-batteries is defo part of the planned sequence. (last ch! in fact.)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: one painful way in which ic fab differs from softwarisms is that failure is ~very~ expensive. buggy proggy you can throw away, you lost a day or however long it took to write. buggy ic is a coupla 100k (usabux) in the hole.
asciilifeform: the former would cost like FG; the latter... erry year or so i go an' dig, so far to end up empty-handed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: depending on meaning of 'peh iron', could be quite inexpensive ( e.g. to plant it on commonplace battery-powered item, e.g. pic32mz, is entirely possib. ). but possibly this is not what diana_coman was thinking of, but instead the full orchestra where e.g. 4096b multiplier for fast rsa ?
asciilifeform: mains outside of asciilifeform's lunch money budget )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926645 << if were actually 'cheap', already would have baked. possibly i did not explain the subj properly. mips is 'cheap' in terms of ~time~ , it is a classic and very compact design with existing compiler support. but to bake physical asic (on practical scale, rather than 'here's 5 dies that maybe-work for 5k ea. and we hope you know how to solder gold wire under microscope' -- re
asciilifeform expects that before long, we'll find out that the pythonisms can't in fact be reliably reproduced, because 'ecosystem updated' or whateverthefuck rots☟︎
