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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If
things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is
to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult
to maintain, even in my own eyes".
HeySteve: heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by
the voicing in here
Naphex: A sells Douche
to B
through bitcoin, B cand
then send a signed rate after.
ThickAsThieves: but
this might be due
to my ignorance with problems of using
the chain for
things it wasnt "designed" for
ThickAsThieves: i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into
the blockchain
Naphex: and from
the same source
Naphex: so.. why not just rate bitcoin
transactions?
HeySteve: I'm
thinking rating will be a
transaction, so
that's
timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context
HeySteve: is
there a
time associated with anything but registration in
the WoT?
HeySteve: an individual is easy
to fake, a real network much harder (so my
theory goes)
HeySteve: timestamping doesn't initially seem
to add much
to a WoT, but I'm starting
to
think
the more data points
the easier
to spot Sibyls
HeySteve: well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for
timestamping as nanotube said
to me
HeySteve: here is one potential way
to decentralise it
HeySteve: well,
that is indeed how I hope
things
turn out
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt it be more productive
to improve
the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such?
ThickAsThieves: it seems odd
to me
that you are recreating
the WoT, when it already exists
HeySteve: well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for
testing
ThickAsThieves: so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all
the mircean features in both systems
kakobrekla: as long as you can attach you linkedin profile
to it, you should be fine!
HeySteve: the goal is
to make a less scammy cryptocurrency
HeySteve: yes, you can rate and
transact
HeySteve: having
two allows secure lending
HeySteve: or bitcoin if a sidechain, if
that happens
ThickAsThieves: his
theory doenst outright require decentralization either
HeySteve: decentralised system,
this is?
HeySteve: this makes
things a little
trickier
ThickAsThieves: first it is not yet proven
that all systems require an "mircean" economy,
though i suspect
they do
HeySteve: mircea_popescu suggested I share one of
the key elements, which is
that
trust rating influences mining rewards
HeySteve: essentially
to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain
HeySteve: oh, well I am
talking more with a view
to my project, still reading on MP's
theory
ThickAsThieves: well is
that a feature required within Mircea's
theory?
HeySteve: I'm still stuck on
this Sybil
thing :) if you identify a puppet
troupe, is
there a mechanism
to neutralise it beyond information-sharing?
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly not a
typical or, arguably, ideal, economy
ThickAsThieves: and
that
the original owner can
take
them back at any
time
ThickAsThieves: the rules of
the economy state
thpse coins can only be used with
that user
Naphex: where do you get
them points from?
HeySteve: how about a system where ratings are destroyed if
the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer?
ThickAsThieves: well,
theyre only as good as
the person assessing
the issuer decided
HeySteve: rating points are only as good as
their issuer
ThickAsThieves: i was exploring whether
the
the WoT itself contains an economy
fluffypony: except with WoT
the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by
the
Trilema post?
fluffypony: yes, but how do you exchange
them between individuals?
ThickAsThieves: yesterday it was already established
that a point system could work as an economy
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: what's
the medium of exchange?
Naphex: showing
the most voted stuff up
Naphex: i wouldn't read
too much into it
Naphex: to get
the hot
thing going
ThickAsThieves: Would it be correct
to say
that Reddit is broken economy in
that downvoters are not identified?
ozbot: [Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed
transactions is a lot easier
than most people real
Naphex: if i would've had more
time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D
HeySteve: I
thought bitundo resolved as unlikely
to work as a service
chetty: very statist, fix problems
that don't exist
thus creating problems
that do
ThickAsThieves: and when
that is
the same person whom, if i recall, helped
the last fork occur
ThickAsThieves: who knows what's possible when you add a new feature
that already exists
HeySteve: well, is it possible
to accidentally a block containing a double spend?
ThickAsThieves: he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i
think/....
HeySteve: so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends
to certain pools, if
those pools process
them
then ... what? all
their blocks are rejected by
the rest of
the network somehow?
fluffypony: davout: SO WE PUT SOME
TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ
HeySteve: double spend is going
to be a hard solution
to sell
fluffypony: maybe
time for some FUD posts on
triple spends :-P
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if he'd build
the best way
to double spend by
trying
to make
the best way
to prevent it
fluffypony: but
the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC
ThickAsThieves: well, bitcoin also happens
to already have a system for preventing double spends
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed
to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system
that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on
top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on
top of cash)
ThickAsThieves: "The above approach works as long as
the majority of hashpower is honest"
ThickAsThieves: how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I
think it's much less radical
than
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to 4.
davout: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL
twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC