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asciilifeform: ssd doesn't do terribly well here on earth.
fluffypony: someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc."
kakobrekla: the real problem with ssd is the controller on it
fluffypony bangs head into table
fluffypony: "An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing"
fluffypony: why do I open my big mouth in the comments section
asciilifeform: and he decides that arithmetic won't apply to him if he 'want it enough'
asciilifeform: there's a certain engineering dynamic at work, where the poor schmuck begins to contemplate what it would take to -actually- solve the problem, and then his starfish begins to pucker
kakobrekla: happens all the time
asciilifeform imagines the moneyed idiot who launches a 'pc-compatible' running existing softs, for security-critical application
asciilifeform: e.g. computer suitable for the application.
asciilifeform: we haven't the chicken
asciilifeform: i was once taught 'gypsy recipe for chicken' - '1) first, find a chicken'
asciilifeform: now if you like yer brain coming out yer ears, remember that launching (orbit, sea, mars, wherever) is the easy part
kakobrekla: take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel.
asciilifeform: can i get off this planet plz
HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat."
HeySteve: someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project
asciilifeform: get thee to library.
HeySteve: asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk
asciilifeform: ideally they'd have a solid-state (piezo?) 'swim bladder'
asciilifeform: you want them bobbing about as close to SOFAR depth as possible
asciilifeform: davout: likewise, note that these wouldn't sit on the floor
asciilifeform: davout: nobody said it'd be trivial
davout: asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates
asciilifeform: to talk to 'seacoin' all you'd need is a hydrophone and a few km of fishing line.
asciilifeform: and then you're rid of the Procrustean size limits of orbiting widgets
asciilifeform: make the chassis from 'inconel' or similar alloy. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and let it pop its keys if barometer reveals that it's been fished out.
HeySteve: is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps?
asciilifeform: sink'em. comms via sonar. no radiation problems, no decay, use thermocline with 'peltier' for energy source.
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time
HeySteve: it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones?
gribble: SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; SOFAR channel - NOAA Ocean Explorer: <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/sound01/background/acoustics/media/sofar.html>; DOSITS: Sound Travel in the SOFAR Channel: <http://www.dosits.org/science/soundmovement/sofar/sofartravel/>
HeySteve: asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there
fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work
ThickAsThieves: "There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed."
asciilifeform: HeySteve: try 3 weeks.
ThickAsThieves: commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin."
fluffypony: davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking
davout: fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick?
ThickAsThieves: let's all buy a toy!
ThickAsThieves: making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly
asciilifeform: cubesats are normally a thing for engineering students.
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y
HeySteve: are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something?
fluffypony: or Timekoin if you'd prefer
fluffypony sends ThickAsThieves 203928312 ATC
ThickAsThieves: ability to manuever?
asciilifeform: there's an obvious attribute of 'adult' sats that is nowhere
fluffypony: "a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...."
fluffypony: holy cowbell the ignornace
fluffypony: asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely?
asciilifeform: wences, the one with the missile silo ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 < did you know wences runs that thing? (i did not)
ThickAsThieves: "It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett."
HeySteve: I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to lunch.
Naphex: lots of work today
ThickAsThieves: that post is petertodd trolling Hearn
ThickAsThieves: naphex thats what i was discussing earlier
mircea_popescu: and there's no such thing as gravity etc.
mircea_popescu: by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses
ThickAsThieves: is US economy an offender of your theory?
mircea_popescu: and the walls that fall vice versa
mircea_popescu: the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load
mircea_popescu: no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed
HeySteve: I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies
ThickAsThieves: you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition
ThickAsThieves: other than by saying it's missing mircean qualities
ThickAsThieves: but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion.
bounce: just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke.
ThickAsThieves: and people will keep pointing to those
ThickAsThieves: since a broken economy can exist for a long time
ThickAsThieves: itll be a tough one to prove
fluffypony: that would make it akin to a natural law, yes?
chetty: yeah keep trying to disprove
mircea_popescu: people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so.
ThickAsThieves: so what steps are needed to make this theory a law?
mircea_popescu: it's not a technology, it's ontology.
mircea_popescu: that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being,
mircea_popescu: HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums
mircea_popescu: blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition.
bounce: o_O? blah now I need to go dig.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that"
HeySteve: essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc.
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao
bounce: usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile
fluffypony: there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation
HeySteve: fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate
ThickAsThieves: the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself
ThickAsThieves: i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer