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nextime: ( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
nextime: asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements
asciilifeform: nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)
nextime: for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )
asciilifeform: unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?
nextime: asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.
nextime: asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
asciilifeform: nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.
nextime: for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue
asciilifeform: and what would be the turnaround time?
asciilifeform: no tooling fee?
asciilifeform: nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.
nextime: asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?
asciilifeform: nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)
nextime: ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
asciilifeform: nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works
asciilifeform: nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.
nextime: asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?
fluffypony: sorry should've clarified that
fluffypony: asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing
asciilifeform: nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.
asciilifeform: nextime: what would you like to know?
nextime: asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?
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davout: mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
mircea_popescu: anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)
mircea_popescu: what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
mircea_popescu: davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
mike_c: next diff change suggest 2 THs
mircea_popescu: mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
davout: mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: <davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here
asciilifeform: ('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)
asciilifeform: this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.
fluffypony: mike_c: I don't have the steady hands
mike_c: that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.
asciilifeform: fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort
asciilifeform: it's simply that it's a bitch
fluffypony: anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see
fluffypony: asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html
asciilifeform: (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)
asciilifeform: nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.
kakobrekla: you are 2 years late with this shit
fluffypony: "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
fluffypony: (that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)
fluffypony: "easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"
fluffypony: "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
fluffypony: lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you
asciilifeform: fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?
fluffypony: that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
fluffypony: lemme pastebin it out the proposal
fluffypony: asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
asciilifeform: fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
gribble: I have not seen tcatm.
Naphex: ;;seen tcatm
asciilifeform: my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.
bounce: apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
ThickAsThieves: more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing
asciilifeform: given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated
ThickAsThieves: if ter interested
ThickAsThieves: but they just posted a big update this week
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
ThickAsThieves: thats the point!
fluffypony: Naphex: teh only altcoin
asciilifeform: when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.
ThickAsThieves: i aint mining teh ATCs!
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mike_c: did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.
ThickAsThieves: not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
ThickAsThieves: not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?
kakobrekla: not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?
asciilifeform: ok that sounds promising
asciilifeform: for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us
kakobrekla: just saying its not an issue to get it done
kakobrekla: i wasnt saying that
asciilifeform: doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb
asciilifeform: i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?
kakobrekla: they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
ThickAsThieves: taking the other side
ThickAsThieves: [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
asciilifeform: in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000
kakobrekla: you send in what you want and they spit out the number.
kakobrekla: its not customary for such ops to do that here.
BingoBoingo: I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
kakobrekla: 'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)
kakobrekla: i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names
kakobrekla: is this a new blog of yours?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.
ThickAsThieves: i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc
asciilifeform: unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.
ThickAsThieves: alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/
asciilifeform: and ought to be designed accordingly
asciilifeform: re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot