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fluffypony: and
they give
them a
ton of education on farm management etc.
fluffypony: and give it
to small farmers
that have already demonstrated
they can farm sustainably, at least for
themselves
fluffypony: at more
than it's worth (so
the farmers don't get screwed)
fluffypony: what
they're doing is buying arable land from farmers
fluffypony: bounce:
the government has been pushing HARD in
that space
bounce: hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have
the knowledge. how hard is it
to actually start a farm (first small,
then decent-sized) legally?
fluffypony: by
the
time
the police arrive it's all over
bounce: farmers
typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells
fluffypony: pretty accurate -
the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)
fluffypony: assuming
they don't fuck it all up in
the interim
fluffypony: yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and
things will even out a lot
fluffypony: and we're actually starting
to see expats slowly move back into
the country
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ?
things even out
fluffypony: so I
think
the over-correction is normalising
mircea_popescu: the only reason
this isn't happening right now is
that, of course, a nude
teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.
fluffypony: it's gotten better -
the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received
the same education as whites since
the mid 1990s when Model C schools became
the norm
decimation: true;
those with
that gumption are already gone
mircea_popescu: decimation no, because
they're
too stupid
to figure it out.
decimation: they would probably go willingly if you paid
their visa and airfare
to somewhere civilized
mircea_popescu: fluffypony as you describe it,
the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women
to be
transported for sex work or somesuch.
fluffypony: and
they solve
that by handing out education grants and pushing
the wrong candidates
through a medical degree
fluffypony: where
they go "oh shit we have
too few doctors"
fluffypony: so
then you have a brain-drain situation
decimation: absolutely. SA is now living
the American dream
fluffypony: I'm
talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff
mircea_popescu: the model is unsurprisingly pushed by
the us, seeing how sa was
their only ally for a long
time.
fluffypony: also, because of BEE
there were a
TON of educated white guys from
the late 90s
till like 2010 who left South Africa because
they couldn't get a job
decimation: yeah
the blacks willing
to make something
themselves are probably
the most screwed
fluffypony: it just creates a sense of entitlement among
the lazy
fluffypony: and
the
thing is, BEE doesn't empower
the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone
to university and are willing and able
to work hard
mircea_popescu: whereas
the bee stuff works in a black majority,
trying
to redistribute
the revenue of
the whites more
towards
the majority
decimation: well, because all
the white liberals worldwide
thought
that if you just gave blacks
the whip hand everything would work out
fluffypony: black fat cats sitting at
the
top of
the food chain
through no effort or hard work or brilliance
mircea_popescu: decimation
that
the mafia works in a white majority,
trying
to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority
fluffypony: decimation: nothing - which is why
they've been heavily criticised over
the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"
mircea_popescu: this is so ridiculous.
the same principle displayed at work in disgrace,
the malkovich film
decimation: what's
the difference between
these bee rules and
the local mafia demanding payment
to not ruin your business?
fluffypony: which leads
to
the company imploding, obviously
fluffypony: and wants
to "manage" and get more money
fluffypony: but fast forward a few years and
the gardener realises he has a controlling interest
fluffypony: and gave him 51% of
the company
to sign some documents
fluffypony: he
took his gardener on as a business partner
fluffypony: government
threatened
to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers
the shit
they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.
fluffypony: for instance, in
the late 90s
the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and
tiling business
bounce: how's
the schooling situation now
then?
fluffypony: so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped
to managed, who were NOT educated
fluffypony: because
the government's "solution" post-1994
to
the white management class
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it goes further
though
bounce: it still smells like cheap populism
to me, but
there could be a bigger point buried under
the poor rhetoric
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well
that's what i said.
they get outcompeted. cause stupid.
fluffypony: like you get
taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths
to add stuff up
mircea_popescu: but still " I never had any of
them complain" is a weak counter
fluffypony: the root of
the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back
to
the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was
the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6
bounce: might ask
them what
they
think about
this "eff" bunch and
their position
fluffypony: you deal with
the same people, haggle over price,
talk about
the best way
to cook
the fish
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you become friends with
them
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so whyd
they be complaining
to you, or what'd
that do.
decimation: so, you and your son want
to plink with .22 but don't want
to blow out ears: must form gun corp
decimation: in fact, perfectly reasonable
things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared
this way, because non-licensed people cannot
trade
them at all
bounce: "rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get
the gun as a perquisite
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah
that gets into various local details. same principle
tho.
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fluffypony: well
they fish a lot less
than
the corporates, for sure, but in
the many
times I went
to
the harbour
to buy fish I never had any of
them complain
to me about restrictions or limits
mircea_popescu: bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and
tax attorney have a gun llc
bounce: so assign
the gun
to an llc and pass
that around instead?
decimation: Therefore in
the US corporations are priviledged
to share guns as
they see fit, people are not
fluffypony: there are a number of fishing communities like
that
decimation: re: corps owning guns :: in
the US
there is a well-known loophole around
the background check laws - if
the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no
transfer papers are needed, and
the corp owns
the gun
fluffypony: and you can go
to
the harbour in
the morning where
their wives sell
the fish
the husbands caught
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but how much of
the caught fish is caught by
their little
tug boats, as a % ?
fluffypony: they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little
tug boats
fluffypony: tbh
there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape
Town
bounce: that I'll agree with. but
that's politics, and we already more or less established
that
the politics of
there are a bit fscked up
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the general point im proceeding from is
that
their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes
their own dumb heads.
the solution of pushing
things further up
the chain,
through nationalisation (giving it
to
the state,
the largest corp of
them all) is exactly wrong
bounce: this is something for fluffypony
to eludiate, I
think. whites have been out and about
there for a while,
true enough.
bounce: but
this is cape
town, where western style business has been around for how long?
mircea_popescu: ie,
they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant
mircea_popescu: restricting access
to essentials would allow a softer
transition.
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i understand,
the problem
there specifically is
that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning
them
bounce: so now
the cook and
the maitre'd are no longer working for
the same boss
bounce: interesting
though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can
take delivery of fish?
that's no fish exports, no fish in
the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.
ThickAsThieves: and pankakke is better at support
than me, i'll look at my config
though