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mircea_popescu: <bounce> and now, of course, with
the advent of schengen and
the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required
to always be able
to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<<
this was a) never false and b) not currently
true.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't
think he knew
the difference
bounce: "jewish", you heard
the man
HeySteve: I mention bitcoin-assets in
there as a good place
to
test ideas and such
mircea_popescu: <bounce> man,
those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's
take
though, classy and shit. << aww!
HeySteve: yeah. I would like
to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P
fluffypony: sure, everything can be politicised or used
to achieve politically motivated ends
HeySteve: it's not
the same as
the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about
the victory of one faction over another which is used
to bolster support for
the current ruling party
HeySteve: ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in
the context of electoral politics,
this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA
then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day
bounce: and now, of course, with
the advent of schengen and
the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required
to always be able
to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe
fluffypony: as you said - freedom is not absolute, but
there are enough extremes on both sides
that
they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994
fluffypony: HeySteve:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I
think
that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom
that it would not be untoward
to say
that
the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom
to certain groups
HeySteve: it wasn't
total unfreedom previously,
that would imply slavery
HeySteve: fluffypony, sure,
there's a difference here
though in
that
the ANC
tries
to keep debate focused on
these kinds of liberation narratives
to justify its rule
fluffypony: HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day"
to commemorate
the shifting of governmental power is a
tradition all over
the world -
the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.
HeySteve: fluffypony, I
think
this freedom / unfreedom
thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like
there are degrees of freedom and
the balance shifted
fluffypony: - PW Botha,
then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981
fluffypony: "The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on
the Afrikaner. Whether
they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”
ThickAsThieves: i
think youve abstracted all application out of
the
topic
thestringpuller: It's akin
to being a spy in war
time no? You
technically can't exist, as a spy,
thus you parade around like a normal individual.
ThickAsThieves: your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get
the gist
thestringpuller: Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean
that it doesn't need
to exist.
fluffypony: bounce: I'm waiting
to see one in
the wild ;)
bounce: man,
those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's
take
though, classy and shit.
decimation: corporations can be international
though;
that's cool
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decimation: the
time away from home is irretrievable
ThickAsThieves: well
that's just it, it's like deciding
to get a sex change or some shit
mircea_popescu: if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be
that you just... never knew.
mircea_popescu: i make it my job
to bother people exactly in
this manner.
ThickAsThieves: yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over
the matter
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Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion
the
trilema article
too ?
kakobrekla: yes ascii i already read your blog on monday.
the whole.
benkay: ;;later
tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu>
that
then makes
two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed
the one.
jurov: you sleep on your
tablet?
ThickAsThieves: i saw it
too, but i was on my
tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)
benkay: that man reads far
too closely
fluffypony: benkay: seemed more fun
than saying hi :)
benkay: ;;later
tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised
thank you
benkay: i'm entirely competent with
the slang, fluffypony, it's
the meaning and significance
that's escaping me.
benkay: what's
that, fluffypony ?
decimation: In response
to
the question of whether
the current government has
the consent of
the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.?
The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes.
These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers
that many of
the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on
the left, denying
the legitimacy of a government
that does not do more for
them.
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with
the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just
to show how supportive you are of
that bunch /// check out my new footer logo!
http://devilsadvocate.biz/ mircea_popescu: this is historically and geographically stable,
too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing
the exact same problem
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fluffypony: lots of families where
the wife is a maid, and
the husband does nothing
bounce: to
the point
that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists"
to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)
mircea_popescu: in my experience it's usually
the women
that want
to work hard
fluffypony: I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone
to want
to work hard in
the Land of Handouts
fluffypony: but
those guys
that want
to work hard are
the minority
fluffypony: bounce: yes,
there have been some instances of burn-out where
the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot
to do anything else
bounce: that
thing with
the land giveaway, worked well enough for
those in
the program
then?
bounce: (don't be
too smart reading
this magic
text, you might go off
the scale!)
bounce: anyway,
the "hypothetically speaking" was
there
to say I wanted
to know whether
there were any real obstacles for
those willing --
that many aren't willing we already know.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's a fact.
there's 30
to 35 iq points buried in
there.
mircea_popescu: this does not compare
to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.
mircea_popescu: all
this aside :
the guy made lemon and sold it out.
then is making xapo
kakobrekla: so you are saying like one should read
the new
testament and not
the old :D
mircea_popescu: is your
thesis
that wences has been reading
the logs or what ?
kakobrekla: im pretty sure i dont have
to explain it.
mircea_popescu: i will go as far as
to say
that no person
that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading
this logs can be stupid.
fluffypony: and
to be fair, I understand why
they promised
those
things -
they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and
the politicians wanted
to correct
that
fluffypony: decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED*
them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when
they don't get it
they complain
that
the politicians are going back on
their promise
mircea_popescu: and if you do what romania did with
the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth
decimation: well, and
their government doesn't exactly work hard
to dibuse
them of
the notion
that
they need
to depend on
them for handouts
mircea_popescu: they
think
they know shit, is
the problem, and
they don't see why
they should put inb
the hard work of reading
the logs for a year.
fluffypony: and because
they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything
that
takes actual effort?
mircea_popescu: look at all
the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny
mircea_popescu: <bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have
the knowledge <<< it's not
the knowledge. it's
the attitude.
fluffypony: or
they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done
fluffypony: sorry
traffic lights, we call
them robots
fluffypony: the problem is
that a lot of
the poor in urban areas just beg at robots
fluffypony: plus a lot of
the supermarket chains are getting into
that whole "support
the small farmer"
thing and buying from
those guys