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Dimsler: since everyone is already cheating
taxes
to
the max
mircea_popescu: it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes
to about 10 a gallon
mircea_popescu: yet
there's people driving around. how
the fuck,
their min wage is 1.25 an hour
Dimsler: i have no idea how
the locals are affording
things at
this point
mircea_popescu: i
think his current owner may
track you down and shoot you if you do
that.
Apocalyptic: I should hire him
to do some ux improvements for x-bt
Naphex: type
the name instead of
the address, color
that input bar on
the security of
the answer
Naphex: color codes - for clients
that maybe want
to implement name2address resolve
mircea_popescu: i couldn't need a dns less : you know where
to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.
Naphex: and
the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client
Naphex: i.e if you an send
to deposits.mpex.co
Naphex: just meant
to be viable
mircea_popescu: and it also goes
to jurov's q as
to
the diff between pki and nanowot.
mircea_popescu: but my point is narrower :
that no wot can stand on its own. one of
the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not
the most visible one but quite fundamental.
mircea_popescu: well yes, now
they can, because you've leveraged
the public forum
to strengthen
the wot.
Naphex: and now
they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log
Naphex: if you don't resign
the zone, it's invalid
Naphex: if you want
to verify if
the certian address was authenticated, you can
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so
the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published
mircea_popescu: and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost
to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.
jurov: you are already, and i hereby anoint you
to
the Most Noble MPEx
Trolls Order
fluffypony: how do I apply
to be part of
the
Troll Board?
cazalla: VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for
that :\
ozbot: Accounting for
the Amazing Company.
The Bitcointalk standard. : Bitcoin
fluffypony: which leads
to deals with "incubators"
fluffypony: unfortunately like most startups
they're hungry for investment so
they can get going
ozbot: # dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro
txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro - Pastebin.com
fluffypony: VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do
think
that
the
TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing
fluffypony: TagPesa responded well
to my criticisms. I actually hope
they accomplish what
they want
to in spite of
their involvement with SeedScam.
Naphex: creating a dns alias would go like
this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer
Naphex: ideally you could just save
the KSK
Naphex: you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm
the serv requests would fail
punkman: mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of
these marketplaces and networks and whatnot
Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive
text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll give it some
thought
then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff
things
Naphex: # host -t
txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
Naphex: so here is a working version of what i
talked about earlier
mircea_popescu: punkman if i had any idea how
to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.
punkman: mircea_popescu: how would
that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts
mircea_popescu: anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way
to get on my wot list at any rate.
jurov: nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column
to
the database and a way
to put signature(rating,message)
there?
mircea_popescu: jurov: i guess
they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything
they set
their mind
to. including design of stuff
they never used irl.
jurov: such long
time development very likely means it will be convoluted..
mircea_popescu: jurov afaik he has been working (for
the past
two years)
towards a distributed system
jurov: but he can be hacked.. i'd
trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing
the recipient's gpg addy
mircea_popescu: more importantly,
that his ability
to absorb scandal is nil. all it
takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids
to someone and
that's
the end.
VanCleef: hmm i cant see
the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon
mircea_popescu: jurov for me,
that nanotube i
trust. in general,
that
there exist no documented cases of a hijack.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how is
the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: does
that make me marketing scum?
VanCleef: ok i still don't get it but
thanks for
the ups
cazalla: mircea_popescu: amongst other
things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now
cazalla: it's not as difficult
to understand as you
think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can
jurov: what's
to stop anyone
to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?
mircea_popescu: gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is
the original public key cryptoi system
Curious_George: man i feel so n00bish listening
to
this discussion. but i'm
trying
to learn, So... what is GPG
cazalla: mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta
time line does it reach
that price?
jurov: sooo why
the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?
mircea_popescu: and
then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?
mircea_popescu: then everyone can move on
to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for
their needs and abilities,
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe
that from here
to bitcoin being 50mn a piece,
this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all
the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:
the problem is we come full circle back
to
the adoption problem - as much as you want
to keep Bitcoin in
the hands of
the
techno-competent, it is going
to spread, and
the n00bs are going
to need n00bish solutions because
they aren't going
to learn
to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money
mircea_popescu: because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing
them is
the general goal of entropy.
mircea_popescu: it's just
that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided
they don't want
to apply
the solutionb.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not like
the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.
fluffypony: so everything is open
to interception and breakage,
to a greater or lesser degree
fluffypony: ok so
then
the problem is
that you have
to communicate addresses somehow
fluffypony: but you can check directly with
the NS for
the domain?
mircea_popescu: on one hand, having a
third party involved in any bitcoin
transaction, in any way, is breaking
the protocol. on
the other hand,
the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten.
tying it into any sort of live project is like
taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.
BohemianHacks: so if you can't see
that anything dealing with
that
topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.
BohemianHacks: part of
the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom,
the value of
the is completely subjective
BohemianHacks: I was
talking about myself and failure
to see
that is entirely on you.
mircea_popescu: same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider
that has
the power
to survive you in
the market.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some
trust on
them,
they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned
the hard way why not
trust linode. it cost
them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: after you
turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs
the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute
that ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?
mircea_popescu: i
think
this Wywiał guy may be on
track
to write more
than me.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: except it wasn't
the dude
that started/owned Dragon's
Tale <<
that was a riot.
tepi's face lol.