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peterl: bounce: so you control
the rate of fission by
the amount of power you put into
the neutron-generating fusion?
fluffypony: I
think it's an important piece of functionality missing from almost all implementations
fluffypony: GAit: when are you guys going
to support RFC 1149?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, happy
to
talk about it
GAit: did you see
the design document/white apper?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no, got a warehouse with decent availability and average Internet
tho
GAit: he really liked
the way it is applied in a out of
the box way
mircea_popescu: moving on
to more interesting stuff. fluffypony you got a dc in your basement ?
GAit: we spoke
to Jan, you know,
the guy
that coined
the
term
GAit: we are already working on supporting
two hw wallets
kakobrekla: afaik 'green address' as
technical
term implies reusing an address, which is funny.
fluffypony: GAit: welcome
to
the world of S.NSA :-P
GAit: fluffypony: sure you can say
that, but
then you have little alternative
to all common languages, maybe some hardware wallet
peterl: oh, and people use cold fusion all
the
time, it just generates neutrons, not power
GAit: it is a widely discussed
topics when
talking about bitcoin and ecdsa
bounce: quantum computing vs cold fusion,
there's a bitbet
fluffypony: GAit: it's like me saying not
to use GreenAddress because of
the risk of an exploit in Chrome/Java/JavaScript; until it happens or
the attack surface is real it's pointless
talking about it
bitcoinpete: GAit: i didn't say much more
to
that <<quantum comps was half your security argument in
the blog
GAit: well by
then i imagine a lot of encryption will use quanto
techinques
peterl: my dad (a physicist) worked on quantum computing for a bit. It's more likely
to succeed
than cold fusion, but still many years off.
mircea_popescu: if quantum computing,
then your
teeth are probably not safe. because why would
they be ?
GAit: i specified
the attaccks or problems. RNG is one
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't
there a major CF exploit last yearish
that caused issues on a bunch of sites?
mircea_popescu: i mean
that sort of shit probably flies in -otc, but
this chan is grown ups.
mircea_popescu: GAit do you understand
the part where making statements about defenses against nonspecified attacks is hacky at best ?
GAit: quantum computer is
theoretical and little practical so far, sure, i didn't say much more
to
that
bounce: anybody still use coldfusion? even
though it's apparently a better php.
bitcoinpete: GAit: and quantum computing isn't a
thing. it's cold fusion until proven otherwise
mircea_popescu: are you here looking for feedback or are you here
to persuade ?
GAit: bitcoinpete: i don't really know anyonw in bitcoin-dev
that is pro address reuse
bounce tried
to make a funny with "swordfish" in it, but failed
bitcoinpete: GAit:
there's a place for address reuse and
there's a place for new address generation
fluffypony: peterl: yes! "It looks like you're
trying
to GPG sign
this document. Would you like help with
that?"
bounce: you now owe me some serious booze, by
the by
peterl: you mean
the paperclip
that gave
tips on how
to use winblows?
bounce: "clippy", unless you're
thinking of bob
the dog
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't
that
the Microsoft Office assistant?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chetty what was
the gpg competitor nsa was pushing back i nthe day ?
fluffypony: peterl: not really...the current change address functionality is roughly analogous
to creating fresh receive addresses every
time you receive a
transaction
GAit: a good point
to add
to
the blog actually
GAit: reusing increases bloat if i understand correctly as you have less
to prune
mircea_popescu: or "pls
to use whatever
the gpg competitor was, i forgot" 20 years prior.
mircea_popescu: i am saying
that
the entire "don't reuse addresses" campaign is exactly
the equiovalent of "pls
to use openssh" or "pls
to use
tor before
that"
GAit: mircea_popescu: you are saying we
tried
to get attention in
the wrong way by mentioning our comptetitors reusing addresses?
mircea_popescu: that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op
than anything else.
mircea_popescu: GAit
the problem is
this : i'm pretty well convinced, and i suspect a lot of people here are similarly convinced,
GAit: mircea_popescu: i was
trying
to find if
there was something bad we could improvwe
fluffypony: technically he said you're fucking scum, GAit, if scum is a pretty person you could consider
that a complement
mircea_popescu: oh. GAit well people sometimes overstate points on
the internet. it's called cracked.com
bitcoinpete: GAit: basically
that reusing doesn't have a place in bitcoin
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete called GAit scum on
the
Twitorz
pankkake: oh, your name is actually Boring.
things are clearer now
mircea_popescu: buncha poor romanian kids in some small romanian
town got
the check-only btc address app installed on
their phones and went all over
town claiming
to be owning 1000s of btc.
mircea_popescu: well for instance, Naphex
told me a funny story when we met yest. it went like
this :
GAit: well privacy in
the sense
that if you
tell
too many people about your [reused] address
then it is much easier
to make sense, on a whole, of correlated
transaction, especially if more people reuse
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm
teasing, hence
the "kidding" added after
GAit: i
think reusing addresses is bad for privacy and exposes you
to potential security risk in
the implementation
bitcoinpete: GAit: so
tell us why reusing addresses is bad, in your opinion
GAit: it is I agree, i generally like
to read your blog
bitcoinpete: GAit:
this is a good conversation for everyone
to see
GAit: i wasn't sure
this was appropriate for
the channel, as long as others don't mind
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: who must we vote for? I missed
the bits further up
mircea_popescu: aha, well you heard
the lady folks : pls
to vote ms boring for
the blockchain award.
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: not knowing which addresses were used
to receive BTC is irrelevant when you are looking at it going out
bitcoingirl: this would be helpful for my career. was one of
the first reporters in
this industry
jurov: how ambiguous? when i withdraw from mpex, it spends
Tx1,
Tx2..Txn from one mpex address.. how it is different from spending
them from different adresses?
pankkake: bitcoinpete: seems
to me
the real issue is merging inputs, regardless of
the addresses. changing addresses will only confuse amateur investigators
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: wait, are you saying
that reusing is good for privacy?
pankkake: does it? perhaps because I'm blocking everything - javascript and cookies, I don't seem
to have it
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu:
the default setting for new users is
to block "adult content"
danielpbarron: bitcoinpete: heh, i'd "favorite" your
tweet, but I don't want
to give
twitter a reason
to set my account
to "login required
to read" mode
jurov: taint can be
tracked by spent
transaction inputs, addresses do not need
to come into picture
jurov: then
the analysis just moves on
to
transaction level
pankkake: though I've
tried
to not associate some addresses with others, I'm sure some more advanced statistical anylisis would reveal
them
mircea_popescu: and it makes it possible for
the entire "taint" nonsense
to even
tenuously exist.
pankkake: anyway >quantum computing. why even
talk about it
mircea_popescu: wlel... reusing addresses equally may prevent you from exposure
to undiscovered holes.
mircea_popescu: "Not reusing addresses may prevent you
to be exposed from undiscovered holes in ECDSA
theory"
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