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chetty: I suppose
the whole internet functions as a punishment gazette
ThickAsThieves: i suppose
there is a more broken up punishment gazette,
the blogosphere and forums etc
ThickAsThieves: so a roaming criminal never gets jailed cuz he doesnt recognize
the authority?
mircea_popescu: but you askled "since when", when in point of fact it was always
the case. only recently have courst strayed into
this heresy
that
they have authority
to judge over unwilling participants.
HeySteve: the question
then becomes who would hold
the keys
to
the placeholder identity? seeing as
that identity will also be able
to rate people. so what happens if "PayPal" downvotes you?
ThickAsThieves: it is whether it makes sense for it
to be a requirement
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you see, if
the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such
themselves? << since forever. read up on "peine forte et dure" ?
mircea_popescu: <davout>
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if
that's really a good idea << i don't
think it is.
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> an alias is irrelevant unless it links
to an identity <- I disagree. someone doesn't have
to know your real name
to
trade with you based on ratings
fluffypony: the minute you allow
the rating of unidentified individuals you
take identity out of it
ozbot: Economic cycles finally explained pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: an alias is irrelevant unless it links
to an identity
davout: ThickAsThieves: if i wanted
to argue
the opposite i'd say criminals
that aren't in
the wot weren't part of
the economy in
the first place, so
that would be a non-issue
punkman: well "entities" brings
that kind of
thing
to mind
HeySteve: it may be best
to
think of
them as placeholder ratings which
the entities can later assume once validated
HeySteve: but
there are problems :)
they'd have
to be clearly identified as proxies
HeySteve: I can see
the value of rating unregistered entities
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> since when do criminals register for such
themselves?// great point!!
kakobrekla: fluffypony
theres a chan on freenode which prints all changes
ThickAsThieves: you see, if
the WoT is a punishment gazette, since when do criminals register for such
themselves?
davout: ThickAsThieves: i wonder if
that's really a good idea
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if
this could be managed by an independent part
ThickAsThieves: not
that
this is a 'problem' but i'd also like
to see a way
to rate entities which haven't registered in
the WoT yet
ThickAsThieves: I dont
think it's hard
to argue
that
the current WoT could be improved
chetty: fixing
things which are not broken is a serious disease, and its contagious
ThickAsThieves: <+HeySteve> right, I get it. I am
trying
to finetune
the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke.
this is a definite point of improvement /// you are fixing it by making something, or fixing your brain?
DrewHorne: where do you
think i get my money from?
mircea_popescu ponders
that DrewPistols would be a pretty decent stripper name.
HeySteve: right, I get it. I am
trying
to finetune
the WoT system without fixing what ain't broke.
this is a definite point of improvement
mircea_popescu: HeySteve so in
those
terms, it's valuable for enforcing
the point 2, permanence.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, so
this
then creates a more comprehensive gazette?
pankkake: lol
TrustSharesIPO__ /
TrustSharesIPO spamming
the order book
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, yes I've read
that
DrewHorne: so i could earn
trust by either performing a
task for someone and demonstrating competency or by purchasing something from someone with bitcoin and just paying
them immediately and correctly
DrewHorne: well
trust is gained from any successful bitcoin
transaction in which someone feels fit
to rate you, correct?
fluffypony: DrewHorne: not really in any centralised/managed fashion,
this isn't a /r/jobs4bitcoins :-P
DrewHorne: are
there actually services /
tasks requested of people on here?
DrewHorne: seems
to be more of a buy/sell log
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, Austrian economic
theory mostly
fluffypony: sometimes
there are
things in
there as well
fluffypony: DrewHorne: you may want
to check
the bitcoin-otc order book
DrewHorne: and
then just visit
the archive and look
through different catalogs?
DrewHorne: seems like
there would be a way
to archive
tasks?
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne kinda what we're
trying
to work out atm.
there is a wiki, but not
too fleshed out yet
DrewHorne: ok so seriously
though how is
the best way
to sort
though all of
this for an actual
task rather
than just read all of yalls entertaining multifaceted chat
HeySteve: how beneficial would a permanent record of such
trust relationships be?
DrewHorne: i guess i missed
the convo on beating small children
DrewHorne: the first
thing
that popped out from
the log was "mircea_popescu:incidentally, it occurs
to me someone should do a
topic summary of
this channel. what have we been discussing
today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology"
mircea_popescu: pankkake course
the canonical way around is
to just ask
the rater. he can
tell you how far back
the relationship goes
mircea_popescu: like above
the history phd bit. obviously useless
to you, as youre no historian by
trade, but we are a diverse bucnh with diverse needs.
pankkake: 1) I'm an assburger 2) but I would rather
talk
to
the ones with
the oldest initial rating, anyway
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne you can read
the logs of
this chan. ocasionally
things pop up for people
to do.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it does have a chilling effect, because sometimes i'm hesitant
to update very old ratings, and just let
them be "good enough"
fluffypony: pankkake: I suppose you could
talk
to
the rater and ask
them?
pankkake: "oh,
these guys have known each other for years" -
that info
pankkake: not very practical, when you just want
to look at someone's ratings
HeySteve: or check
the blockchain, pankkake :)
DrewHorne: so where do i go lurk for something
to successfully do
to get rated and earn
trust?
pankkake: it's
too bad
that you only see
the last update of a rating. I feel like it has value
to know when it appeared first
fluffypony: you mean like someone forgot
to * 1000 ?
mircea_popescu: so either gribble actually keeps
track of
the oldest rating oyu ever got and someone modified
their oct 15th rating
DrewHorne: successful morning for someone not well versed in
the bitcoin space, im a fast learner
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller
that rated since is about my rating, not generally.
DrewHorne: so
thats basically saying
that i am now registered on
the wot but i have 0
trust
thus far
fluffypony: pankkake: yeah -
to a large degree, investors don't *necessarily* have
the knowledge
to be in
the space
the business is operating in (otherwise
they'd be in
the space), so
they're just proffering an opinion
DrewHorne: how do i check my
trust with gribble? i saw
that yall were checking me on it last night,
that basically checks with gribble on
the wot correct?
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne im really not interested in carrying private conversations. we don't know each other, we have nothing private
to discuss.