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decimation: and the "business model" of "we own the IP" is all any company in the US has left
decimation: Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip
asciilifeform: it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box
asciilifeform: it isn't even, as people like to think, a 'security' itch
asciilifeform: and then you envy the folks with the 'pdp'
decimation: everyone's too busy to worry about that ascii
asciilifeform: except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds
asciilifeform: linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972.
decimation: What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken
decimation: reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so.
asciilifeform: decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage
decimation: several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better"
decimation: I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing
gribble: Trilema, the Rift guild pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/trilema-the-rift-guild/>; Rift pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/rift>; A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/>
ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema.com rift guild
asciilifeform: the familiar science fiction staple, of savages running across a cache of 'technology of the ancients' which still works, and going wild - that's reality.
decimation: the whole USG has become a vehicle to distribute the annual seigniorage
ThickAsThieves: what's the mpex rift shard?
asciilifeform: tales abound, of janitors pulling on a mess of cable to reveal 'pdp-8' drywalled into a broom close oubliette, still running a radar set, etc.
decimation: yep. note how "late" the f35 is
asciilifeform: most of the widgets that actually sail, fly, explode, presently in the field - are '80s designs at the core - at the very latest.
mircea_popescu: so in the end, this great experiment where congress is in the business of pork, the administration is into masturbation and the country is run by laws not men
asciilifeform: if you notice that the pay keeps coming regardless - why work.
mircea_popescu: no i mean, yes, but that was way back when it still worked sort-of
decimation: congress was all about it, because they could hang all kinds of other "social good" on the procurement process
asciilifeform: (see the ill-fated airplane, etc.)
asciilifeform: and after that, with the very idea of shipping anything
asciilifeform: some time soon after, they realized that they can also dispense with the need to ship products that work
decimation: well, I think the best explanation is that the defense companies realized they could tell gov't employees what to do (via congress) rather than otherwise
asciilifeform: somehow this faded away.
asciilifeform: re: DoD standards, vdhl - at one point, vendors were required to provide full design - and - guarantee production to a certain date, far in the future
asciilifeform: re: wireless card firmware - i suspect that when someone bothers to audit the blobs - with an eye to searching for creepy crawlies, rather than the customary functionality reverse-eng. - plenty will turn up.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. << this is very true. perhaps the last govt push for sanity in any field.
decimation: ?This will make it easier for all of us to consume a wide range of content on our mobile devices, most notably high definition video without frustrating lags or delays,? Cisco Director of Government Affairs Mary Brown wrote.
ozbot: FCC votes to boost Wi-Fi | TheHill
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it depends on the books. my backlog contains junk like 'intro to Lie algebras,' etc
decimation: but that would require immense engineering time
decimation: you could in theory lockdown the stuff that needs to be locked down in pure hardware
decimation: in the future apple will sell the iGenuflect - you kneel prostrate in front of your laptop in memory of Steve, and it will grant you 1 hour of programming time
asciilifeform: therefore the idea is a non-starter, at least if built directly for american market
decimation: heh yeah that's a good point, can't violate USG regs
asciilifeform: decimation: phun phact. it is traditionally illegal in the u.s. to sell a laptop with 100% documented chips.
asciilifeform: the forced mouse use is an especially cruel torment on a portable.
asciilifeform: lucky none of my apple boxes have this turd installed.
decimation: every point release of OSX: less support for people who want to do something (apple is forever killing hypercard)
decimation: ugg and in Mavericks they ditched X11 - you have to download some open source "Xquartz" project to make it work
asciilifeform: decimation: no headache. just keep paying << i find apple's os just an uncommonly clunky way to run x11 & friends
decimation: if you can sell for less than a macbook I think there is a market there
decimation: there's a business opportunity for some up-and-coming Chinese vendor to make inroads in the US market: make a repairable Unix "workstation" laptop
asciilifeform: i rip them out and replace with cheap ssd (yeah they won't last a decade, but a laptop should be considered expendable anyway)
decimation: yeah it's playing with fire. I wish someone would pick this up and make it a real product: http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
asciilifeform: decimation: can't bring myself to tolerate a spinning drive in any laptop whatsoever
decimation: yeah that's true, I have a couple 08-09 laptops. I find they eat spinning platter hard drives for some reason
asciilifeform: (where you had to use a 'spudger' and remove layer upon layer just to access the disk)
asciilifeform: vs. the 'tin can' designs from before
asciilifeform: actually the portables circa '08 and up open easily
decimation: God forbid you want to open it up to do anything
decimation: no headache. just keep paying $2k per year for the latest widget and you are supported
asciilifeform: i generally think of using a laptop as something to be avoided, if possible.
decimation: yeah this is pretty much the case. From what I can tell, most real engineering work is either done on old windows boxes (for engineering crapware) and Macbooks
decimation: these days you get the feeling that there's nobody home at the levels of gov't that could "do something" about the complete transfer of the electronics industry to china et. al.
decimation: what's interesting is that the DoD wanted to push the industry to open cooperation in the 80's. They saw the writing on the wall w.r.t. Asian manufacturing, and pushed for things like VHDL and whatnot to try to keep industry here, which succeeded to some degree
asciilifeform: today, apple stands entirely alone there.
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: laptop is the one place where os and hardware really must be build under one roof
asciilifeform: decimation: the real crying shame is that the sun & alpha laptops made by tadpole inc. and others never took off
decimation: it wasn't that they were against doing so, it was just that they had 30 years of legal baggage and copyright to worry about
decimation: yeah. I linked to this talk awhile back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc Apparenlty Sun literally spent years trying to "legally" offer some kind of open source license
asciilifeform: that would've been antithetical to the doctrine of 'we own the precious commercial rights to at&t unix, we must use them'
decimation: Sun dipped its toe in that water for awhile, but it was a day late and a dollar short
asciilifeform: which explains why they died when they did
decimation: Of course, the custom unix makers were also "unable to compete" with Intel cpus, due to the fact that they were fat and bloated from dumb money from gov't and big business
decimation: Computing was taken from the hands of the engineers who actually computed with computers, and suddenly became the realm of MS crapware. The whining of the enigneers was ignored, generally.
decimation: I heard a theory about this once. In the 90's, most business middle-managment went from being innocent of computers to suddenly owning a winblows box
decimation: asciilifeform: [apple] also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation << this is very true
nubbins`: sorry for the FB album, but it is what it is
nubbins`: so here's what we've been working on the past couple weeks
assbot: Voice for omantianefultans extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ^ Candidate for a place to open a reading retreat
BingoBoingo: Damn. That actually sounds like a good idea for retreat.
mircea_popescu: dude, book me already. i have > 500 books i never had the time to read.
mircea_popescu: "Turning over a new leaf: Italian prisoners will get their sentences reduced by three days for every book they read while in jail"
mircea_popescu: like the best bait to date
TheNewDeal: tim-tams i told you I would sponsor 5$ worth for a middle finger dedicated to the COO of butterfly labs
jurov: i'm just venting that balances on mpex can change at any time without any record shown in STAT
jurov: question for me? that's not related to artifexd
jurov: for example on mpex, such thing is much harder to notice that because it's beyond mircea to mention in STAT or else that "deposit of X was credited"
jurov: that's why it is good to show full records..
artifexd: jurov: You are a scholar and a gentleman. Thank you.
jurov: artifexd: the rest credited
mike_c: jurov is accurate to 18 decimal places :)
artifexd: It isn't enough for me to be upset about. But I was curious.
artifexd: The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b
jurov: which tx was it?
jurov: no that must have been a mistake
artifexd: So, is there a policy about rounding deposits?
artifexd: But the management fee came out 3 days later.
artifexd: The amount I deposited doesn't match the amount I was credited. I originally thought the missing amount was the monthly fee because it was on 1 May.
bounce: "SIGHUP [...] terminal line hangup"
davout: pankkake: "killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal" <<< the HUP signal, so?