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kakobrekla: jurov a part of my name sounds like
tits and means dick
dotcoin: do you come
to monaco on april 24
assbot: Voice for dotcoin extended
to 30 minutes.
jurov: and who's
the
tit here?
kakobrekla: im just fucking around while im dicking around cause i know you like
to fuck with your dick
pankkake: apparently I'm every
troll for him
davout: mircea_popescu: a dependency has failed
to compute
mircea_popescu: "If you not like
the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are sure our system is very professional programmed."
mircea_popescu: suddenl;y
turned around and made it into a btc exchange because why
the fuck not, he's competent and smart and brilliant. or, in
the words of
today's equivalent,
mircea_popescu: a yeah, right you are, burnside was derping on ltc with
this
thing,
then when nefario closed down abruptly for unspecified legal reasons one week after declaring he's legally 100% not illegal at
the conference where he scammed clueless rms into showing up
artifexd: I
think it was
the reverse, but yeah,
they were run by
the same guy.
nanotube: kakobrekla: long
time ago. google killed
their api.
davout: how was
that movie called again
pankkake: belgian fries, now
that's something
mircea_popescu: i don't get
this no fat frying bs. use canola oil, it'll be fine
pankkake: but
the bad
thing for you is
the fry, not
the fat
pankkake: oh, I
think my dad has
this horror
too
davout: yea, don't get
too excited, he just entered his "no-fat fries" phase
davout: he
told me
to shut up and eat my soup,
the moral of
the story is
that you're better off keeping your assets in bitcoin XD
davout: my dad's an accountant, when he
told me about
this
thing, i was like "no fucking way"
davout: for
those who don't speak french, "abus de droit" means
that you're "overusing"
the law
to your advantage, and
that, in itself is unlawful
davout: from
there, anything becomes possible
davout: look,
the french
tax code has
this concept of "abus de droit"
davout: what i'm saying is
that it is not comprised in
the set of
the
things i know about how
the law works
mircea_popescu: i am sure, if you go
to
the chamber of commerce or w/e people gather in paris
these days and ask, you will find at least one or
two people caught in something of
the sort.
davout: not an objection, simply
the expression
that it didn't fit my experience :)
mircea_popescu: <davout> i *never* heard about such a
thing << what's
that
then ?
davout: i don't object reasoning on
the basis
that it doesn't fit my experience
mircea_popescu: your objection
that it doesn't fit with your experience, unsound as it may be in
theory, is also easily dispatched in practice.
davout: that was
the implied question :-)
mircea_popescu: davout
the implication is
that particular malfunctions of a broken system are only visible at a certain height, nothing else
davout: mircea_popescu: are you implying
that a million needs
to be spent in legal counsel
to have something like
that explained ?
mircea_popescu: principle of magical economy : only use
the really powerful delusionist spells when really needed.
mircea_popescu: i don't have
to get skinnkavaj
to ask his magical "i can't see why not" device
to bed
those
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I'd rather fuck
the Bush daughters << but
those were sluts
davout: i *never* heard about such a
thing
mircea_popescu: no, you pay
them what
they ask you.
then
they make
the paperwork read
that's what you were supposed
to pay.
davout: so you just pay
them some random amount ?
mircea_popescu: this is a game-theoretic asset :
they won't say. maybe
they are. maybe
they aren't. what do you want ?
pankkake: French fisc agents are allowed
to offer "deals" btw
mircea_popescu: davout it's simpler
than
that :
they don't have
to be specific before
they finish
the investigation
davout: if
they weren't investigating about
that,
they were investigating about fraud, and you don't get out such an investigation by simply
throwing money at
them
mircea_popescu: you are starting
to understand bureaucracy,
the legal system and how states work.
davout: so what were
they investigating about in
the first place if it wasn't "calculate exactly how we're being owed" ???
mircea_popescu: davout because if w/e
they calculated is owed is paid,
then
they have no further grounds
to investigate.
mircea_popescu: once
that sort of shit starts, you start publishing
the lolz.
mircea_popescu: one of
the many many COUNTLESS reasons a businessman absolutely must have a well read blog at his disposal.
davout: i don't see how it would make sense
to drop a
tax-related investigation on frozen corporate assets by having a shareholder, or general manager, paying money out of his pocket
jurov: but it was
the same kind of investigation
davout: mircea_popescu: how can i pay him if my assets are frozen during
the investigation?
mircea_popescu: jurov
that's vat returns stuff, an entirely different piece of related nonsense.
jurov: regardless of
tax investigation
mircea_popescu: davout he has a perverse incentive : he knows
that you're a sucker, and would rather pay him
than wait.
jurov: taxmen delayed VAT returns fdue
to "ongoing investigation"
davout: but from what you say,
the
taxman, if he has a claim against
the company has an actual incentive
to speed
things up, assuming he's paying himself *after* his investigation, which would make sense in a somewhat sane system
mircea_popescu: but considering
the state of
the dockets, all over
the "civilised" world, a < billion corp stands zero chance
to be even noticed.
jurov: in fact,
the opposite
thing happened
mircea_popescu: now, if it's a big company, it can perhaps push for
this
to resolve.
jurov: well, i fail
to find anything such in slovak law practice
davout: i'll have a look at
that
mircea_popescu: so now you can sit and look at your 100 euros
turning into dust in a warehouse somewhere.
davout: aah, i guess
the part i missed was
that it was a
taxman led investigation
mircea_popescu: court sets all proceedings aside pending result of
taxman investigation.
mircea_popescu: court
takes note. court starts insolvency proceedings.
mircea_popescu: company is insolvent. management has
to report
this. management does.
davout: the way i understand it, is
that
there's
two cases, either
the bankruptcy is considered "normal", or "fraudulent", in
the former it's liquidator, in
the latter it's liquidator + investigation
mircea_popescu: dude you're refusing
to see what im saying. again from
the
top.
davout: afaik
the fact
that a liquidator is appointed doesn't mean
there's an investigation
mircea_popescu: no, you're right. hes appointed. he
takes a hoinorary.
davout: in france, as far as i know, if a company is not solvent,
there *must* be a liquidator appointed
mircea_popescu: but
that's what im saying. it doesn't have
to get
that far.
davout: in france,
there's usually a "suit" if
the bankruptcy is fraudulent, a liquidation process goes in front of a judge as well
tho, but it's not really a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: that's
the particular fissure of a kafkaesque nature i wish
to draw your attention
to.
mircea_popescu: the situation you find yourself in, practically, is
that
the 100 euro assets are now locked up, and deteriorating, under court "supervision"
mircea_popescu: it's not of
the same nature as everyone else's (those are resolved part of
the civil suit)
davout: heard about
this a few
times already
davout: someone may object (taxman or whoever else) may object
that
the bankruptcy was fraudulent and
that
there was deliberate actions made
to diminish
the assets, in
this case
the general manager can get prosecuted personnally
jurov: and ask you whatever
they want...
that can
take
time
mircea_popescu: but you never get
that far. i know how it goes on your branch, but youy never get
to
tyhat branch
mircea_popescu: IF
the
taxman claims
they intend
to prosecute
the matter.