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dub wont mention what he's been doing this morning
mike_c: tapes are $20 / TB. can't beat that with a stick.
mike_c: tape backup drives are reasonably fast too.
mike_c: yeah, there you go. classic storage device for non-flippin bits.
asciilifeform: blockchain is more or less an ideal application for tape (and any other non-randomaccess medium)
asciilifeform: current blockchain would easily fit on ~10 vhs tapes.
gribble: ArVid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArVid>; Using Video Recorders for Backup - Stuart Cheshire: <http://stuartcheshire.org/rants/VideoBackup.html>; Arvid Gerstmann - Android Apps on Google Play: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Arvid+Gerstmann>
asciilifeform: speaking of the blockchain storage discussion from earlier - anyone remember 'ArVid' ?
mike_c: lol. this site wants to make sure i am using: Mozilla® Firefox® 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19 or 25
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
nubbins`: i just dented the floor with my keys :/
cazalla: nubbins`: too easy against cpu or online play? i've got to buy a pro wii controller as the gamepad gives me rsi with mk8
jurov: sceptre? didn't know you're so theatrically inclined
BingoBoingo: You know what would be the interesting desk accessory for bitcoiners, a Lucite genesis block, block. For use as a paperweight or bludgeon or whatever.
gribble: ClubOrlov: The Rationale behind the Boston Psy-ops: <http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html>; JOURNAL: Dmitry Orlov on Collapse - Global Guerrillas: <http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/11/journal-dmitry-orlov-on-collapse.html>; Mario's Fresh Bait - Geelong, VIC - Shopping & Retail | Facebook: (1 more message)
mike_c: "Wilcox walked past Amanda Miller and confronted her husband. Amanda Miller then fatally shot Wilcox"
BingoBoingo: diametric: The people who supposed them and the people capable of making them were not the same groups of people I imagine.
diametric: whatever happened with that side chains circlejerk that was going around not long ago?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay: i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. << what happens to you once gb blocks ? // let me know when it's realistic.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay: you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc. << not to mention the coinbr thing. he really doesn't need the blockchain at all. // coinbr requires btc addr to sign up i b'leev
BingoBoingo: I wish I could know the answer to that
jurov: lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone?
BingoBoingo: I wonder if sfter death my lungs will find themselves better preserved than my bones
mircea_popescu: smoking TOBACCO doesn't do you in quite as drastically as smoking contemporary ciggaretts
mthreat: taxis in buenos aires are often cheaper than a bus ride in the US
mike_c: taste decent? i know this guy that gets dirt cheap smokes in canada and they taste like you're smoking somebody else's cigarette after they were done with it.
mircea_popescu: and actually good camels, as opposed to the fire-retardant, chemical blend crap they sell in the us/eu to justify the theory that smoking causes cancer
mircea_popescu: you should see the prices here.
mircea_popescu: a ok then lol
mike_c: but i distinctly remember comparing what i got charged to some of the posted prices in the store and realizing (and not minding) that he was bending me over.
jurov: http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ can store 200kB/page..means 100k pages for today's blockchain
mircea_popescu: was kinda curious what the actual factor was :p
mike_c: hmm.. what i paid would tax the memory. but just like drinks and stuff.
mike_c: related aside: i got charged 2 to 3x for everything in romania and still felt like i was getting a deal
gribble: The camel has two humps (working title) - tof: <http://wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The%20camel%20has%20two%20humps.pdf>; The camel has two humps (working title) - University of Kent: <https://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/dept_info/seminars/2005_06/paper1.pdf>; Alan Kay on 'The Camel has Two Humps' - secretGeek: <http://secretgeek.net/camel_kay.asp>
asciilifeform: ;;google the camel has two humps
asciilifeform: learn which bits to put my hands on << i find this - in essence - to be the most handy test of who is worth dealing with as human vs meat
mircea_popescu: it has exactly zero to do with women specifically, and the whiny pretense to the contrary has only one indicaiton :
mircea_popescu: when i want to make tea rather than coffee, i acquire the skill of putting the righjt fucking thing in the pot.
mircea_popescu: when i don't want to be shocked by the mains power, i learn which bits to put my hands on.
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with women. when i don't want to be treated like a fucking retarded tourist and charged 2 to 5 x everything, i learn and use the fucking local language.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes.// I doubt it works out to halves
mircea_popescu: otherwise, one can just learn to enjoy the process.
mircea_popescu: in general, whenever one wants to deal with the world on one's own terms, one's required to take aditional training, and ALSO be talented.
mircea_popescu: dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy << they're spinnin' so fast they could be weaving wool.
Namworld: Well, it's always nice when you see someone with a last name befitting their career, at least.
mircea_popescu: so am i right in assuming the only career worthy of a man named brandon billings is... bill collection ?
pankkake: glacier is basically powered down hard drives. cheaper if you don't mind the high latency
fluffypony: someone should tell usagi about that service
nubbins`: these nuts are bigger than the blockchain
mircea_popescu: the average redditor's porn stash is bigger than the blockchain
mircea_popescu: the melanogaster genome is bigger than the blockchain
mircea_popescu: mthreat well that for sure lol. fucking trilema is bigger than the blockchain
mircea_popescu: smickles: I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve << how much shit was in the hangars in the end ?
mthreat: bigger than the blockchain
asciilifeform: if you want something your grandchildren might be able to copy, even if they cannot read - chemical photography. - that, or ink...
mircea_popescu: mthreat i don't recall, what's theirtotal data store ? yotabytes ?
asciilifeform: error coding is a trivial problem - to any desired degree of redundancy
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well if you've microstored the blockchain, they are, yes.
nubbins`: but bit rot isn't always noticeable until too late
asciilifeform: very few things store as much (relatively) high fidelity data, and are at the same time as easy to duplicate, as film.
mircea_popescu: !up terp_
mircea_popescu: sorta like the smell of "we burned down 5000 hard drives. hopefully ALL th customers kept good backups
mircea_popescu: (there's this very distinctive vinegary scent of "o shit we just lost this warehousefull")
asciilifeform: just skip the nitrocellulose, none of this problem then
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i know people who go into seizures just fgrom the smell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, it decays. but this is why the young apprentice must copy film he inherits, etc. [insert post-apocalyptic hypotheticals]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's the old nitro stuff. modern film no lonmger has the problem
nubbins`: great way to burn a house down
mircea_popescu: smickles wellyou asked. the value is lulz
nubbins`: film gets very unstable with time too
mircea_popescu: how many were destroyed just to get rid of them
mircea_popescu: if you mean silver coloidal, it's utter shit. read up some time on the trouble hollywood has archiving, what itcosts,
smickles: I'm failing to see the value in this usagi crap and i didn't notice a video. I'm going to clean some dishes, easily worth more than reading about usagi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform film lasts much less than you imagine.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's more one of those "let's inject some power into otherwise worthy projects geeks had been dilligently holding afloat with a cuttingboard and a spatula over 30 years"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: film lasts a good while, easy to copy and compare via low tech means
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Ms Boring forgot to make the distinction between the two Erik ventures << yeah not particularly inspiring.
mike_c: pankkake: once we all sign up for circle we won't need the blockchain.
pankkake: so you know you have the right sig. prevents mitm, because it's hard to mitm real life
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do confess that at one point i toyed with the idea of rom-like storage on consumer 35 (or 16)mm film.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it strengthens the quality of debian's signatures for instance.
nubbins`: just wondering what possible benefit could be gained by being represented in the "pgp wot" mentioned in article
pankkake: f2fs would be a good candidate for blockchain storage. anyway, I'm in the "block size won't go up that much, things will happen offchain" camp
nubbins`: of what use is this wot!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just gotta bring back antifuse. it doesnt really get much simpler than antifuse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: storing bits that never need to flip again ought to be technologically simpler - on basic physical level - than the normal kind. << this is a good point, and i imagine within the decade we will have special blockchain ssds being made.
fluffypony: including deleted threads
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet | Bitcointa.lk
fluffypony: moderated thread
assbot: BMF has lost access to its wallet
asciilifeform: how many times i see zooko triangle brought up as if it were physical law.
mircea_popescu: benkay: i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. << what happens to you once gb blocks ?
smickles: giving a thread title with [UnModerated] in it is like telling someone they are free
mircea_popescu: if they're singable they're prolly preimageable too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform zooko triangle issue tho
mircea_popescu: i guess i kinda walked right into that big cock...
asciilifeform: if all but a few lost the chain << no problem if we have... singable checkpoint hashes.