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asciilifeform: but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it.
asciilifeform: the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch
asciilifeform: and you live with this
asciilifeform: just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache
asciilifeform: that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer.
asciilifeform: decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it.
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asciilifeform: decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there.
mircea_popescu: even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"
asciilifeform: justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially.
mircea_popescu: even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall
justusranvier: There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.
unbalanced: Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?
mircea_popescu: yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.
asciilifeform: (when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?)
asciilifeform: it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful
decimation: but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM
asciilifeform: decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted.
decimation: it's the original apple
decimation: pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere
unbalanced: There, this was all worth it.
unbalanced: ;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: http://www.walkersshortbread.com/
decimation: but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"
asciilifeform: but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage.
decimation: indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project
asciilifeform: without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that.
asciilifeform: note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today
assbot: Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing
decimation: why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?
decimation: yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword
gribble: Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_(computer_science)>; CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: <http://tunes.org/wiki/orthogonal_20persistence.html>; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process: <https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=020>
decimation: also this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer
decimation: asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: http://rebootingcomputing.ieee.org/
asciilifeform: 'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ?
unbalanced: Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. <beck>Things are gonna change, I can feel it.</beck>
benkay: ;;later tell chax sorry i missed you
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unbalanced: Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well.
unbalanced: Where else do the cool kids hang out?
unbalanced: This just in, people... PKI works. That is all.
unbalanced: It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read?
mircea_popescu: course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/ << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ?
unbalanced: Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now.
assbot: Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo Blog
unbalanced: Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/
mircea_popescu: "Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds… scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav
mircea_popescu: anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker
mircea_popescu: If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it’s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping
gribble: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861>; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum: <http://naggum.no/worse-is-better.html>
thestringpuller: Nigga technology only does one thing.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+technology | Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ...
thestringpuller: ;;ud nigga technology
thestringpuller: You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter.
justusranvier: I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them."
mircea_popescu: i thought rakim was like the goatse guy
justusranvier: I remember that now
justusranvier: And that's a fine condition for particupation
justusranvier: If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them.
asciilifeform: random.gov, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged
mircea_popescu: i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter.
justusranvier: Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former.
mircea_popescu: ".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ?
mircea_popescu: "Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn’t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives."
teward: asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys.
mircea_popescu: he was going to make and export a privkey for you
mircea_popescu: where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ?
asciilifeform: i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade
asciilifeform: GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ???
teward: agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :)
asciilifeform: why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder
teward: i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P
teward: this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :)
unbalanced: Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message.
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward 1 New blood.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate teward New blood.
teward: mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot
unbalanced: Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point
mircea_popescu: hm, who're you teward ?
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mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust teward
mircea_popescu: !up teward
unbalanced: Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now.
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unbalanced: I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto.
unbalanced: Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out?
unbalanced: It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!"
unbalanced: "This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing"
unbalanced: So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up:
mircea_popescu: happy friday the 13th btw
unbalanced: I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me.
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ?
mircea_popescu: as a sort of pastebin email thing
asciilifeform: for dumb stego, easy to test.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd?