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assbot: Capacitor Welder - Battery
tab Welder part 1-2 - YouTube
teward: the 'nanotube challenge'... he's
talking about
the OTC auth system isn't he...
kakobrekla: <mdev>you're giving everyone with voice
the ability
to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone
through
the nanotube challenge
kakobrekla: <mdev>you should remove
the !up
thing, it's an annoying system
teward: he got banned for
those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...
kakobrekla: he got pissed how
this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah
assbot: Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy
Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - YouTube
mircea_popescu: this would be your random shitstain wanting
to be "anonymous".
mircea_popescu: "Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much
trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action
to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."
mircea_popescu: if your average us citizen got
to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on
those chickens.
mircea_popescu: namely, proving he was
there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for
TheButterZone.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the problem as stated is unresolvable. as
the future includes
the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior
to a point. only ulteriority can be proven
that hardcore
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have
the blockchain mucked.
mike_c: the
thing is, it depends who you are "proving"
to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get
the logs mucked with. and nobody is going
to care
that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.
mircea_popescu: the
thing is,
the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way
mike_c: that
thing still works? impressive.
fluffypony: oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link
to archive.org on a particular date
mike_c: log.b-a or my blog still requires
trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for
this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe
they were in on
the scamz.
fluffypony: even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and
the signature can be verified by any of us
that keep logs
fluffypony: mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps
the date) + dump
the signature here
fluffypony: [01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be
tolerated
mike_c: well, basically what i said. i want
to be able
to say "here's
the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"
mdev: even
though it's gone over an hour before...
mdev: and
try and average solving
to 10 minutes
mdev: bitcoin
trusts no ones date,
they don't use dates
they use difficulty I
think
mike_c: ah, so, like stuff something in
the blockchain
mdev: but yeah as other have said
the problem with date is you can set it
to what you want, so only way
to confirm
the date is used a 3rd party someone
trusts
mircea_popescu: to prove you signed it no later
than X, publish it on
the record date.
mike_c: like, i want
to be able
to say
today "here is proof
that I signed
this on June 1st, not June 13th"
fluffypony: selfie of you holding
the newspaper for
that day
mike_c: yeah,
that works going
that way. i need
to go
the other
though.
mircea_popescu: if you want
to prove
the date is no earlier
than X, include a block hash say.
mircea_popescu: if you want
to declare
the date being x, include
the date.
mike_c: i don't
think
there is, but
thought i'd ask
to make sure i wasn't missing some clever
trick.
mike_c: but i could sign something
today with june 1st in it.
mike_c: dumb question: is
there any way
to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you have a
tech run a
team of
techs he's
technically management now
fluffypony: also, how can
they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in
their "management
team" alongside
the developer?
fluffypony: they list a developer under
their "management
team"
mircea_popescu: "Joe: No way, no way.
Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but
they don't know each other, so nobody wants
to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be
thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."
Blazedout419: I was
talking
to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform
Blazedout419: Well sorry if it came off
that way, but
that is
the first
time i have ever been called a
troll
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from
trollage you gotta appreciate.
mircea_popescu: you know, back in
the 2011 days something like
this'd have raged for a week
mircea_popescu: lol
that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.
mircea_popescu: generally, i rarely
think someone is as smart as
they
think
themselves. similarly, i rarely
think someone is as dumb as
they
think
themselves. so
there :D
kakobrekla: well if you are doing
the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it
mircea_popescu: the
truth of
the matter is
that i don't have an actual personality, i just do
the opposite of what y'all are doing.
Apocalyptic: I guess mircea is running low on entertainment
tonight :)
pankkake: FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of
the many exchanges
to do
that?
pankkake: I don't
trust him, and I backup
the otc db :)
mdev: just putting a lot of
trust in nanotube, i've never seen really
the guy
talk but I
think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well
mircea_popescu: because life's
too short
to re-do all
the shit all
the
time
mircea_popescu: mdev
there's a world out
there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine
themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.
mdev: same bot, same
tech, same owners stuff
mircea_popescu: they've sold "virtual chips"
to forum derps for 500-1k btc
mircea_popescu: ok, but you understand
the cost for 50% of
the hash is like... 2
to 500k btc
kakobrekla: so once you buy
that shit,
they are out
Dimsler: what are
they going
to do?
Dimsler: how
the hell does
that matter
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla
the gear
they sold is sold. i
thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear