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asciilifeform: the capacity -- is there.
asciilifeform: wolf, of course, will grow, even on wolfless world. interestingly some time last decade somebody finally filmed deer eating bird's nest
mircea_popescu: you know, it's funny btw, how "mmorpg" evolved. back around time of eternal september, computer in the house pretty much guaranteed head present. and so the games catered to this. hence h2.
mircea_popescu: "god created man in his image (and not vice-versa!!!!)" xtian creed. hence "peace". what could possibly be needed in the perfect world of the scummy repose, than... more of the same ?
mircea_popescu: but in truth, once "i suck, and THAT is why daddy doesn't like me" is blocked out, what's left besides "daddy likes me because i am exactly like him in all respects" ?
mircea_popescu: ye, he's not stupid in a way different from stupid. the frog's legs don't jerk because something to do with this particular frog. and so on.
mircea_popescu: the reflex is there though, and imo very edifying.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, kako was actually trying to bake one of these, and i was almost disappointed when it flamed out and left the current cinders, largely consisting of spamola and occasional prb 'news'
mircea_popescu: "our idiocy works as proven by all the works of those who hated us, which we claim for ourselves because hey, what's in a claim."
asciilifeform: the slow but effective garbage collector of time + expensive print, helps'em 'cheat', yes
mircea_popescu: kinda perverse, you know. sorta like a kakobrekla-run alt-trilema filled with effigy statues of the lordship.
mircea_popescu: they tend to strictly stick to the names detectably opposed.
mircea_popescu: the overflow of unreadable crap "enlightment" has produced is carefully not mentioned by the pantsuit apologists.
asciilifeform: imho 19th c 'tb poet' is ~exactly today's redditus.
asciilifeform: so when 'poet' came to be seen, largely correctly, as yet another species of urban refuse, living on rubbish like new world raccoon, then yes despised, mega-surprise
asciilifeform: was associated with rat life, the way walmart is today
asciilifeform: considering that tb didn't take off until euros packed themselves like spiders in a jar, in 'urban' hell..
mircea_popescu: meanwhile tb, the archetipal european poet characteristic, was despised among the raiding population as the degenerative disease of the bull penis suckers.
asciilifeform: depends. it is interesting to consider that 'seppuku' didn't take off until actual conflict mostly flamed out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been on a yr+ jp kick, attempting to read some of that 1337 poetry in original..
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is he the ultimate in suave p2p ? cuz i'm starting to suspect!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not factual either. most of the great japanese poets died of the sword.
asciilifeform: dun forget the 'height of the towers' tho. pretty much all of the samurai poetry / arts / etc come from the period where jp had already been properly divvied up, and the swordsmen were living fast off guaranteed kokus of rice, rather than daily raid
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> BingoBoingo, this is a short chick, btw, who walks around here alone on a daily basis, with a backpack for 6 years, never gets bothered << I suspect mircea_popescu's comment downthread explains it. A substantial set of the Latinos appear inclined to take anything that isn't bolted down, provided nothing bad happens to them from it.
mircea_popescu: this is pious fraud. the pantsuit subhuman has been just as overwhelmed, and overwhelmed in the exact same ways expressed in the exact same terms since cato the elder.
mircea_popescu: but the difference between integrated world and disintegrated world is specifically important, because common view of "postmodernism" is "woe poor man, overwhelmed". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just about the whole story, yeah.
mircea_popescu: in truth, the more adept at "horse and bow" or w/e they get, the more keenly aware of subtle differences that create hierarchy. exactly reversed dunning-kruger, "to me all these cowboys seem superlatively competent at riding and lasso, but they -- they complexly disagree"
asciilifeform: i dun dispute the model where folx with a working head, like thinking and playing with calligraphy brush an' rhyme, and where herbivority is not conducive to growing thinking head
mircea_popescu: or what, you think my interest in poetry comes from how i can't get cunt because fetlife, it's so fulla mp ?
mircea_popescu: they didn't do it for a good reason according to you. they did it for a good reason according to them.
mircea_popescu: i propose the capitalist view is inadequate in context.
mircea_popescu: and the ~reason~ "never would have occured" is specifically that they were dedicated to NOT breaking the world snowglobe into shards.
asciilifeform: plenty of folx took it seriously, once yer in a platoon of folx ~equally adept at horse an' bow, then how to stand out.
mircea_popescu: capitalist thought anachronism in context. "yes it'd have worked ; but it'd never have occured to them"
mircea_popescu: samurai took it seriously. old middle earth tribe idem. it seems to me it was not optional then
mircea_popescu: peasant will come up with an excuse as to why his football team winning occasionally means he gets free beer and samba si.
mircea_popescu: so there's your difference : raider will be good at everything there is to be good at or die trying.
asciilifeform: 'watch me whip myself silly for the glory of god' etc
asciilifeform: exactly that
mircea_popescu: (wanking all the whilke about "how hard it is", of course, of course).
mircea_popescu: something other than "we cut the worldcake into slices and picked the one easiest to lift" ?
asciilifeform: i propose that 'pious' is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861376 ... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the raider's world is whole, and he fills it ; whereas the peon's world is sharded, and he picks the easiest shard to the spite of all others.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile aming the "civilised" shitheads, the equivalent, saint, is ~pious~. naught else.
mircea_popescu: let's approach it from this filum : in those societies which are "uncivilised", which is to say not yet rotten, the discussion of superlative achievement, as the hero (always male, of course, but let's leave that aside) is a plenitude. he can shoot the bow if the bow is known AND ride if the horse is known AND sail or raft or canoe AND sing if they have music AND AND AND
asciilifeform: afaik errybody saw their particular jumper setting as the One Troo way
asciilifeform: if there's some record that raiders 'were sad' about raiding, i do not know of it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i propose this is not so.
mircea_popescu: which is the weakness of the scheme, too -- raider leaks into "civilisation"
asciilifeform: eh errybody thinks 'doing Right Thing'
mircea_popescu: yes. but raider cannibal is much better than christian farmer. bacause raider-cannibal doesn't either think he's doing the right thing nor believe it's impossible to do something else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errybody 'elects maculae', it aint as if raider-cannibal is exempt somehow from thermodynamics, still gotta find somebody to eat.
mircea_popescu: peasant isn't the misfortunate victim of his flaws and foibles. peasant is THE DEDICATION to the SPECIFICALLY ELECTED sins and maculae.
mircea_popescu: peasant will go past carry capacity of land, it's what peasant does. like saying "engine will drain gas tank"
asciilifeform: ( and unlike in petri dish , the meatsacks ~don't~ automatically fill to capacity, barbarians, plagues, help'em to avoid )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's still a diff, in italy 3 harvests in year, but near moscow ~maybe~ 1
mircea_popescu: "stupid cunts keep spawning and well... do what you can" "how about fix them ?" "uhhh...ooooga ?"
mircea_popescu: because this is specifically what "agriculture" ~MEANS~.
mircea_popescu: note that all peasants will ALWAYS live "where agriculture barely works at all"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when actually reading the german folx, noticed, they formulated exactly like this, it's no mystery.
mircea_popescu: hence all the xanax.
asciilifeform: to make life even moar complicated, the infection, in some circumstances, is actually adaptive ( peasants living where agriculture barely worx at all, can only survive in 'mir' or similar formation , i suspect )
mircea_popescu: which theoretical viewpoint suddenly makes nazi choices make sense : first, they took care of warsaw ghetto, the ~internal~ reservoir. once that was liquidated, moved on to the foreign reservoirs.
mircea_popescu: and so -- the pantsuit of today the reservoir of today ; much like the mirvniki of 1800, the reservoir of 1800.
asciilifeform: typical victim dun have so much to begin with
asciilifeform: was about to say
mircea_popescu: except in plenty of bipedals -- nothing there to destroy.
mircea_popescu: i would say that the best way to represent socialism, from early xtian communism to today's social media solipsism, is as a sort of meningitis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely what the pantsuit is : socialism reservoir.
mircea_popescu: because in the end, to say "whichever pathogen best uses them wins" is to say exactly that.
mircea_popescu: yes a bacillum is high tech arcana when compared to the mouthdribbler. nevertheless, the selector among high tech arcanna is precisely the bulk of undifferentiated biomass. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the ~reason~ y pestis exists is the long line of joe moron, and his mulae & stramulae.
mircea_popescu: it seems, to some high analysis, that the workings of bacillum pestis works entirely independently of Joe Moron, who keeps "accidentally" falling into his own dung.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was half-expecting you'd mention unvaccinated BingoBoingostani and their mumps. but this also worx, i suppose
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861545 << same way unwashed idiots enable plague. but i mean, EXACT same way. they're the god of the gaps as far as evil is concerned. ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, i must add that if the bots are trooly pwned, and receiver lives in kernel ( or iron... ) then 'ports' dun matter at all, receiver can listen to erry packet sent its way .
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the lulz collectors, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-10-13#441696
asciilifeform: the ~86k packets is a worst-case avg, obviously, per 'birthday theorem' it will succeed almost certainly sooner ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and yes reality is a bit moar complicated, most bots are behind nat and won't be immediately reachable like this. but it is not impossible to picture a net with say 10,000 udp-reachable nodes . )
asciilifeform: in the former case, it only needs to send 1 per second, to find a peer within 24 hours. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this of course presumes that they all listen on 1 port; if not , then multiply the above by the # of ports in use.
asciilifeform: say it has 50,000 nodes. then 2**32 / 50000 =~ 85899 packets sent at random is all that it needs to find a peer and rejoin its net.
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3 is all he's got running there, tho
asciilifeform: if it was indeed this, then subj ip is the victim
diana_coman: anyways, will add to pile of weird for now and maybe later I get to look at it more
diana_coman: seems to be some address in the US and "corporate" fwiw
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that most likely it was part of a ddos, and the forged return address happened to match yours
diana_coman: possibly; that would be my guess, some sort of magic packet
asciilifeform: ( there could even exist something, somewhere, exploitable via magic packet )
diana_coman: apparently I'll have to get all those unexpected messages in some readable format and post them, myeah
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they probe for peers
diana_coman: possibly, no idea really; but what, they just send random udp stuff on all ports? ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to post the bytes ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no, weird, single UDP message received from it by the UY node during tests
asciilifeform: and dun seem to be a noad at all, for that matter
asciilifeform: diana_coman: btc noad ? never connected to zoolag ( at least not in past month )
diana_coman: ave1, that sounds good
ave1: diana_coman, I now have a good version of the crc32 bitwise constant time algo, but I ran out of time for today, so eta probably tomorrow.
Mocky: yeah i better tone down the eye makeup