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trinque: asciilifeform: yep, I'm going to do something about this right away.

asciilifeform: i'ma see what mircea_popescu says when wakes up.

asciilifeform: once i do, will make vpatch .

bvt: i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger

bvt: ty. spyked, diana_coman : i fixed the problem with keccaking large files in vdiff here http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/

diana_coman: spyked: I mean this patch on eucrypt http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home

asciilifeform: i suspect 'go ahead send in us $, we'll give your zimbabwebux instead'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when i 1st read, thought 'substance abuse'

asciilifeform: i.e. this old puzzler, is thereby solved.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is 'dinama' the same busybodies who tried to confiscate the replacement rk i sent you, for 'enviro pollution' ??

asciilifeform: hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!

asciilifeform: structure is circa 1960 , i think.

asciilifeform: hm i vaguely recall a thread where lobbes , i think, exclaimed 'i just put my foot through the fucking floor'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq, floor sunk, walls off plumb?! i'm in the most starvation-grade hovel here and my floor is level, and corners are 90 degree

BingoBoingo: I dunno that propper cabinetry can be a mass product rather than build to suit

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, and e.g. howard hughes built the 'spruice goose', world's largest flying tub, also. i was speaking of mass products.

asciilifeform: i suppose makes sense -- finn forests are furniture-grade

asciilifeform: i still dunget it... is it american paper mill? or wat

mircea_popescu: i expect this'll be the standard in socialism.

asciilifeform: the linked piece. i dun know the cultural refs.

diana_coman: since I just walloped poor shrysr for misuse of "tragedy", might as well start compiling a "basic vocabulary for younghands graduation@

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

asciilifeform: lobbes: i.e. what did it do for those 2h instead of reconnecting ? ( or didja have to cycle it manually..? )

lobbes: I will dig later tonight / this weekend. Will see what I can figure out

lobbes: ^ incidentally, I love connectolade in logs for just such reasons

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933985 << ugh, looks like I lost ~2 hours of logs

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.

spyked: in any case, I'll publish the hunchentoot genesis today, as promised. /me bbl again

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\

spyked: hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

spyked: other than that, I guess you meant "recent comments"? recent posts are on the main page; and as for title-urls, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Afeedbot+hunchentoot&chan=trilema works from what I see

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.

mircea_popescu: also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws

mircea_popescu: i expect it's needless to say moar.)

mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.

mircea_popescu: i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with"

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:38 spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.

mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative (is it didactic, nwo that's illustrative ?) case of alf's py logotron : NOW that he's done it, i can say things like depends what you count ; before, i couldn't very well have.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.

spyked: in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards

spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.

spyked: e.g. I never seriously considered adding comments before tmsr, because who else would comment? and similarly for trackbacks

spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933956 <-- I can defo see the productivity advantage of integrated img resizer, but when /me wrote this, he took the opposite philosophical standpoint: text can be written using whatever text editor the user wishes; and uploaded to blog however he wishes. similarly, images can be processed using i

spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 <-- ok, will take 'em (and the ones mentioned subsequently) off as soon as I get the free hands.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?

lobbes: But, in order to do this I need to fully understand the "guts" of the logotron anyway, and eating the current todo list I think will help to achieve this. Plus the code is already fresh in my mind!

lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:12:54 asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933941 << I don't mind taking this on, though I warn that I will absolutely take longer than asciilifeform would!

trinque: there may be a brief deedbot outage as I beat the old version with a wrench and deploy new

mircea_popescu: the naive view is to think that making the cost 10% less will result in... what, 10% more output ? if it takes me 9 seconds of unpleasant laboru instead of 10, i'll just do 11 images instead of 10.

BingoBoingo: I kinda worry about the process fascism which has asciilifeform's 2018 Uruguay journey still largely un photoblogged

mircea_popescu: i shall belabour this point

asciilifeform: right, and lotsa good photoreportage , i suspect it helps that mircea_popescu can plug camera almost straight to bl0g w/out sweating

asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it

diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933928 << this is correct. btw lobbes , diana_coman , ( others ? ) -- if no one is presently looking at this, then i'ma do it, the lack of quoted search is grating to asciilifeform also

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he does seem to have an almost-working (i.e. all but for comments) cl blogotron, unlike errybody else, tho.

mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.

mircea_popescu: 1. re blog, i do not currently believe it makes any sense to have blogs in anything but php ; 1.a with the exception that trying out things (as opposed to, production) is trying out things, and people can try out whatever ~they feel like~ (while they're stuck producing what works).

diana_coman: i.e. use "" for exact match

bvt: i kind of remembered that it had something with to do with percentages, this surfaced out mod6's message; when you mentioned that the result is still ~wrong, remembered that it had something to do with "man who invests X% of time into empire...", used phf's log for a keyword search.

diana_coman: I see also more clearly my usual trouble finding sources: the original exact bit is deep in the roots while the part easily found is the tip of the tree grown from those roots, huh.

diana_coman: but hm, I still think mod6's line actually paraphrased a different discussion and I quite distinctly remember it said by mircea_popescu ; if my memory of it is any good, ofc.

snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-10 19:40:02 mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i stil

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:25:58 asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! gu

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i fucking hate laces tho

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 12:24:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: possibly I'll find it later as inner-indexing tends to keep working in the background after one of those anyway and pops up with the result some days from now or such shit.

asciilifeform: dun think it was in these ; but since i can't recall exactly where , could be wrong

diana_coman: I also think it might have been in reply to one of asciilifeform's threads re how he can't escape (hence possibly why it rings a bell with him?) but again, if I knew exactly, I'd have found it by now.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, part of the problem is that i think we index things very differently ; your words don't trigger my memory. do you remember any actual words that were definitely in there ?

diana_coman: myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i even went and looked among the 'audiophile' idjits -- y'know, the folx who attach rubidium clocks to their cd players 'for cleaner wave', buy holy water, operate factory in texas where 9v batteries (yes) still made with 1940 tech (why, cannot say, but 'for Troo Authentic sound' somewhere...) -- nodice

mircea_popescu: im gonna have to put a search in won't i.

diana_coman: I know for sure you did, just need to... find it.

mircea_popescu: no, but it sounds a lot like something i wish i said.

asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )