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asciilifeform: tionality, and it must not contain information storage arrays, units, or systems inaccessible to expert examination.'
decimation: it would be interesting in the soviet version if a coin flip determined whether you got 1 trillion rubbles or a lifetime sentence to the gulag for bourgeois greed
asciilifeform: i'll take the liberty of quoting the russian 'law re: lotteries.'
decimation: say you need at least 2 megabits to come up with a 2048 bit prime
asciilifeform: they've used this kind of 'rng' for decades.
decimation: is that the russian powerball?
asciilifeform: ^ notice he says 'лототрон' ~= 'lottotron.' the original, in fact, 'лохотрон' - chumpatron.
decimation: and rolling dice would take days
asciilifeform: decimation: why would you want to produce weaponized rsa primes from a prng ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's been all for me. later all.
asciilifeform not really awake enough for a good flaemfest. but will point out that mechanical rng setups are prone to wear effects.
mircea_popescu: benkay eh what, you can tell.
benkay: hee hee hee i got the rng flamewards going again
benkay: mircea_popescu: re: truffles?
mircea_popescu: mthreat no. this because the high bytes are too predictable (shake) and the low bytes too predictable (cheap accelerometer fingerprint)
Rassah: mthreat: Not as much. Since the motions will be repettitive, you will get only a small amount of variance from that. We had considered something similar, with maybe having to press a button a bunch of times and use the timing diference, but it adds an insignificant amount compared to what we get from the chip already
mircea_popescu: benkay now how would you know that.
mircea_popescu: decimation he prolly means just for the entropy.
mircea_popescu: im not even making this shit up
mthreat: Rassah et al: Would an accelerometer be a good source of entropy? "shake to randomize"
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <
danielpbarron: Rassah, you interested in selling your BTC for cash in the mail on a regular basis? I am very interested
benkay: mostly on the topic of getting entropy out of sram imho
Rassah: benkay: a lot of tings said on the topic of that Entropy device have been very retarded
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading. // interestingly, truffles is a female.
benkay: Rassah: saying that doesn't make it any less of a retarded strawman argument in this context.
decimation: re: rolling dice to generate RSA keypair << this is not straightforward at all, and in general you are going to end up seeding some kind of RNG to produce your primes to test
nubbins`: i think repairing my broken relationship with my son is too hard. i'll just have a daughter instead
Rassah: It's not even that. The two are just arbitrary measures. It's more like, I think driving at 105kmh is too fast. I'll just drive at 65mph instead
nubbins`: can't drive to work in a sandwich? who cares!
nubbins`: i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich
cazalla: "People think that Bitcoin is too expensive, and they would rather purchase Litecoins. " https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=21124.0
Rassah: benkay: I didn't say that is what is being suggested here. That is, in fact, what is being suggested in places all over outside of here. No one has suggested anything here, other than that the method I am involved wit is worse than...
benkay: nobody in this room had suggested that.
Rassah: benkay: this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. // actually this is what is being suggested that people do to create secure paper wallets. I am suggesting that ours is comparable. At the least because people who use that method don't check the RNGs of the systems they use, and at the most because we don't actually use an RNG chip, and use our own source of randomness.
danielpbarron is guessing the colored gas is ionized
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/PDdkcGR.gif << what's the reaction here?
asciilifeform: it was the rng << snore. big fat surprise.
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cazalla: who me? no, wasn't that sort of dream
mircea_popescu: ow god truffles.
gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, and 29 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
BingoBoingo: ;;seen truffles
BingoBoingo: Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading.
cazalla: logs were a good read this morning
cazalla: mircea_popescu, so i had this dream about you, in a lobby, it was eyes wide shut-esque except you wouldn't let me come upstairs where the women were but then you sent 2 down to me at the bar so i was content
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140715120259 << "The question now was how to integrate it. OpenBSD developers don't like huge diffs for a very good reason. After fixing the inode format and adding new flags, Ted pointed out the ancient rule "whoever touched it last now becomes the maintainer" was valid even here."
BingoBoingo: The problem of taking action to fix a problem is that at some point you will have to take more action.
mircea_popescu: theo's response is pretty weak too.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the comments you can see the new psyops angle, "The cruft was good! Mysterymeat Nourishes!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it was born knowing it would be the RNG. The problem is do the devs make shims or does Linuxen fix itself
assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/07/only-a-few-days-old-openssl-fork-libressl-is-declared-unsafe-for-linux/ << look at that, it was the rng.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin: I thought it was gonna be monday << so did i.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i like the split and raised ones << i've never used one of the splitsd
BingoBoingo: You'd think when somone creates the sort of tool he googled and instead recieved a virus for the tool's creator would instead bleed the target dry.
BingoBoingo: The site hosting the malware in question if you make to the end of the thread atm was revealed to be a "cheat" for some coinflip gambling game.
mircea_popescu: student is becoming worse than bum.
mircea_popescu: "i downloaded this from here, and clicked on it,while my virus program was not activ.i just wanted to see"
BingoBoingo: Most disturbing part about that report was he had a whole BTC to lose.
mircea_popescu: "{to be honest timmy, having read your attempts to make a pump and dump coin, to also make a HYIP scam.. i feel sorry for anyone losing coin... but not so much with you."
nubbins`: was just about to ask if they carry Hi and Lois
mircea_popescu: not to mention they're in fucking spanish.
mircea_popescu: i keep buying the funny papers and reading this chan. then i lol here and i am all disappointed in the funny papers.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: SetThreadContext is non-deterministically broken from XP x64 SP0 to Server 2008 R1 x64 SP2 <<< ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: maybe i should kidnap some of these kids and torture them in my basement, to fix the economy ?
mircea_popescu: so whenever reddit gets inflamed about the injustice of mp, bitbet gets carpetbombed with bets.
assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica
dub: kakobrekla: waiting for diehard cs 1.6 players to take fingers back to first knuckle now
copumpkin: I thought it was gonna be monday
dub: scam tbh
dub: extra 1mm throw is making me laggy
BingoBoingo: What does no one have a scroll button on their keyboards either?
dub: clit is useless without stinkpad scroll key tho
dub: fuck trackpads
dub: <3 the clit
mike_c: i only use those for bringing to datacenter
mike_c: BingoBoingo: you mean the little rubber dot in the middle? you use that thing?
kakobrekla: you can get those.
mike_c: interesting. i've never tried the split and flat ones
BingoBoingo: mike_c: A proper keyboard (portable machine or not) ought to have a Thinkpad style clit.
mike_c: i like the split and raised ones
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's 2014 already. Why are they censoring the keyboard's clit?
mike_c: i tried the http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ that my coworker was using.
Mats_cd03: decompiler? not to be seen. but, other RE tools are for the most part available...
kakobrekla: which ones did you get? theres like 10 kinds.
copumpkin: ah, then yes
copumpkin: well, from what I've seen (i just started tinkering with hopper a couple of days ago, so I dunno), the basic hopper disassembler interface/functionality isn't all that different from IDA's
Mats_cd03: im not good with ida and i cant comment on substitutes, although i have spent a fair amount of time trying (radare, mostly)
kakobrekla: interestingly, the ergonomic model m goes for about a grand on ebay when it pops up from time to time
asciilifeform: but there isn't an actual substitute.
asciilifeform: copumpkin: don't misunderstand - if there were an actual substitute, and it only ran under, whatever, ultrix, that'd count
copumpkin: alternatives exist, and buying a mac and hopper can be cheaper than getting hex rays :P
copumpkin: asciilifeform: yeah, the decompiler output seems kinda flaky and silly. The Mac OS thing doesn't seem like a big deal that makes it a "monopoly"
asciilifeform: mike_c: the recent 'model m' clones are based on lexmark's version. somewhat shoddier mechanically than original.
mike_c: kakobrekla: i have heard that the das mechanical keyboards are the modern version of the m, and they have a silent version. i tried one for a few minutes once and liked it. but not ergonomic.
asciilifeform: the decompiler appears to be mostly worthless. and the tool runs only under mac os.
Mats_cd03: add it to the bucket list
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: the issue isn't whether one likes it, but whether any practical substitute (other than 'objdump' and 10-100x the time/sweat) exists.