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asciilifeform: 'complexity is irreducible now, the only possible kind of man is now the stamp collector'
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time << the motto of the 20th c. intellectual impostor class, in a nutshell.
midnightmagic: IMO, in a brand-new field, those singular talents can exist. Once the primary breakthroughs are finished, it requires teams and long-term hard work to push it forward. IMHO anyway. me != physicist.
DreadKnight: einstein might have been fake, his wife might have been the smart one
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time
mircea_popescu: or who exactly, fermi ? pauli ? the germanz ?
midnightmagic: "no new more fundamental particles as of X TeV in the LHC"
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, midnightmagic: not insisting that the particle hijinx have no possible applications, in a far future. just that these applications will require a resurrection of the caliber of men we had 1800-1900.
midnightmagic: the physics is not 1940s or prior. i have a friend whose PhD was literally pushing the boundaries of particle physics using results obtained from LHC
DreadKnight: theoretical physics might seem to have no application atm, but that's the whole point, debating and eventually (hopefully) allowing to grasp more complex concepts and allow for further technological improvements, like being able to go through worm holes and such
asciilifeform: nope. the latter - navel gazing. no testability given their tech.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, 1940s is 20th century anyway, and sure, engineers take 50 years or so to apply fundamental physics
mircea_popescu: well if you go at it that way then everything's ancient greek atomism.
asciilifeform: this is not, as the particle smashers tell us, an accident.
mircea_popescu: you ever took a rmi ?
asciilifeform: notice how every piece of actual 'practical' machinery we have that makes use of 'modern' physics, the physics in question is 1940s or prior ?
mircea_popescu: how is this related ?
asciilifeform: the string folks explicitly renounced testability of hypothesis! if that isn't an open declaration of charlatanry, what is ?
mircea_popescu: obviously a large number of people who like to identify as physicists are in the situation of people who like to identify as rockstars.
DreadKnight: bitcoin is theoretically an energy allowing to polymorph sheeps into cars and so on, to facilitate exchanges and needs
asciilifeform: good litmus test - anyone involved with 'strings'
mircea_popescu: rather than actually doing the winning.
mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing there's a large number of would-be followers in any race, who to the acute observer look more like they're going through the motions
asciilifeform: cern, other 'strong force' shenanigans are a good example of 'chinese' scholastiwank. the people involved - entirely uninterested in systematization of knowledge, much less practical use
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is, in this exact sense, useless.
mircea_popescu: so then ? you dispute it actually works as described ?
asciilifeform: e.g, herr einstein: a junkyard dog, who took credit for the genuinely interesting late 19th. c. work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know these impostors knew exactly how to build a cern and did.
asciilifeform not a cultist of the engineer, but of folks like j.c. maxwell, who knew exactly how to build a radio - and didn't.
DreadKnight: Newton's falling apple was likely just a nice story to make people visualize things :P
asciilifeform sees 20th c. physicists as largely imposters, who 'the good parts - not original, the original parts - not good'
mircea_popescu: not in terms of variables and values.
mircea_popescu: so let's take the baby home : real programmers think in terms of functions and macros,
mircea_popescu: i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D
mircea_popescu: the SHORT cathode. you know, the one the japs built.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i disagree. see the short cathode tv.
DreadKnight: otherwise he'll have a hard time explaining things to people
mircea_popescu: or else with the graph of that concept and its relations.
mircea_popescu: but any philosopher worth his salt will interact not with a "concept" but with either the graph of that concept's history in the mind of man,
mircea_popescu: and i'll venture to say that pretty much all the good philosophers similarly don't think in "concepts", whatever that is, but in a sort of equivalent of the wavefununction, except it has two major irreducible statements. one's systematic the other historical.
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, mircea_popescu: the physics that yields interesting machinery, vs. 20th.c navel gazing, was done by folks who 'thought in objects' more often than not.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, "objects" ? what is this, naive physicalism cca 1880 ?
asciilifeform physicists think in wavefunctions << summons zombie of hugh everett
mircea_popescu: physicists think in wavefunctions.
mircea_popescu: and physicists don't think in "objects", what an ignorant thing to say
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, got that :)
asciilifeform: 'Mathematicians think in symbols, physicists in objects, philosophers in concepts, geometers in images, jurists in constructs, logicians in operators, writers in impressions, and idiots in words.'
DreadKnight: "rich" seems to be more of a state of mind; kinda like you're saying on your blog "pay up or this could wither and die" on your blog mircea_popescu, even though that's not the case, but I like the lesson you're teaching
DreadKnight: some people would get poor in no time anyway, as they originally were
asciilifeform: 'For social mobility to work, it needs to be a two-way highway, with a large number of pre-rich and an almost as large one of post-rich.' -- from the taleb link
DreadKnight: HeySteve, squishy units that either do a lot of damage or are meant for support and really tanky units that are meant to protect others and take damage
DreadKnight: HeySteve, so basically you have the whole moba type of game team under your own management instead of having to rely on random idiots and hope they're doing the right thing;
kakobrekla: dont change the car when it only needs gas.
the20year1: webirc will be the next one i try
DreadKnight: HeySteve, keep in mind higher level units cost way more, there's a cost formula
mircea_popescu: chetty oh that guy... he's so dreamy...
DreadKnight: HeySteve, there's setting for limiting number of units; they're pretty big compared to HoMM games anyway; combat field gets more crowded easier, especially in 2vs2
mircea_popescu: the20year1 tried via webirc ?
chetty: persons is often, detectably, the waiter.(Taleb)
chetty: V 44. The alpha person at a gathering of "high status"
HeySteve: yeah I didn't get that from testing it
HeySteve: DreadKnight, wasn't aware of that tradeoff, makes sense. that's the kind of mechanic I was suggesting, like you could use a lot of powerful unit abilities or summon a lot of creatures, but not both as a strategy
DreadKnight: HeySteve, hopefully that makes sense to you; will show you wip document design next week, hopefully you'll have more questions about things not clear enough
fluffypony: so there's no time limit for you
fluffypony: you're in assbot's L2 trust, DreadKnight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013
DreadKnight: didn't seemed time limited to me hmm
kakobrekla: nagzter get into the wot?
the20year1: what game is this?
DreadKnight: HeySteve, well, no mana as there is no magic; there's plasma to protect Dark Priest (summoner) and also make units (so more / better units = less protection, it's a tradeoff); each unit has it's own energy stat, abilities require energy, there's also meditation to replenish that, but if an unit gets damaged in a round above a treshold (more than endurance stat), then the unit gets no regen it's next turn (regrowth for health and m
the20year1: because I tried it via pigin IRC and IRCCloud and neither worked
the20year1: alright, i guess i'll try it today
HeySteve: the20year1 I didn't, it just went away today. yesterday I could auth with alt gribble. didn't try restarting browser to wipe any saved data tho
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight. I had a thought about the game, would giving the creatures and "summoner" a single manapool work?
nagzter: The robot is a blender model, but the rest is mine
nagzter: I haven't seen that yet!
the20year1: and that's where I was getting that error (the you must be voiced to do this command) or whatever
HeySteve: the20year1, had the same problem yesterday
mircea_popescu: cool so then do !up once you're id'd with gribble
DreadKnight: nagzter, definitely go for it with your husband for the other coin if you haven't picked a name xD
mircea_popescu: the20year1 try !s hey
the20year1: what assbot commands are there?
DreadKnight: seems that the original guy who tried failed
mircea_popescu: can you get it to respond to any other command in pm ?
mircea_popescu: the20year1 that's so bizarre tho, you must be doing something out there. it literally is just pm assbot.
nagzter: I did custom icons for the wallets and designed the site
DreadKnight: in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD
mircea_popescu: nagzter what, you made them ?
nagzter: (and the slick graphics ahem)
nagzter: People do seem to like the silly name
the20year1: Well, that was the original problem, nanotube helped me get past that , the problem now lies with /query (pm) to assbot to self-up
DreadKnight: nagzter, would be funny if the joke coin would take off and not the "real" one, twitter scenario
mircea_popescu: from what i gather, your problem was that you were using an old, cached and therefore expred otp ?
the20year1: but this whole gpg thing is still frusterating me
mircea_popescu: !up the20year1
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nagzter: 11:02 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
nagzter: he's working on a "real" coin and needed the practice
mircea_popescu: is this like a joke coin ?
nagzter: I haven't played yet (I do loved turn based games!)