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mircea_popescu: okay. so you know what an office manger is. sorta like a glorified receptionist, hires
the cleanning crew,
takes a weekly salary.
Kamuela: i have
to manage
the programming
team every day
Kamuela: in
this project, and
that's not some kind of a euphemism
Kamuela: well let's put it
this way
mircea_popescu: don't get all bristly lol. anyway :
there's
tools
to organize all
that, use 'em.
Kamuela: and i'm not
trying
to cash in on
that
Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't
think of it first
Kamuela: you act like i'm just
trying
to
take something
to a patent office
mircea_popescu: none of
this is
to say you personally are a bad guy or anything.
Kamuela: so... because i want
to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue
to direct operations of both
the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"
mircea_popescu: not eliminating ideas, but
the brand of "ideas", or whatever it reforms as.
this concept
that one's personally important for no reason whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: you can'rt ever know
this, can you ?
that means you're not part of
the pie, not adding value.
Kamuela: i understand
trying
to eliminate
that, but i
think
that will be done
through solving information asymmetry rather
than
through eliminating... ideas?
mircea_popescu: Kamuela approach it from another angle, perhaps it's more digestible
that way. suppose
the worker's work was no good. you know
this because
the code doesn't compile. suppose
the capital's no good. you know
this because
the check bounces.
Kamuela: something for nothing is what drives
the world. it's what causes both its prosperity and its problems
mircea_popescu: much like you'd have starved cca 1920
trying
to be a buggy manufacturer.
Kamuela: even if we are all managed by artificial intelligence,
that artificial intelligence is still
the capitalist
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say
that within your lifetime, you'll starve with
this model of
trying
to ceo
that i perceive you're
trying
to impl;ement
Kamuela: so what will happen in my lifetime, you're saying, is
that
the profit motive will go away, all marginal cost will go
to marginal benefit, and unicorns will come back from extinction
mircea_popescu: it only isn't
the rule because up until now
there didn't exist
this chan, and
this ideology.
Kamuela: the
thing is, if it were easy for builders and maintainers
to be owners and operators, it'd be
the rule instead of
the exception
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: about a week-ish
to ship
mircea_popescu: and
that means
the only way you'll be able
to give
them a worse deal is for as long as
this elephant in
the room stays secret.
TheNewDeal: they had
the power
to
think, and not do
TheNewDeal: but MP, don't you remember
the cyperpunks
thought up PGP before it was implemented?!?!
mircea_popescu: what i'm
trying
to impart
to you is
that
this "take capital from idiots of
type A and labour from idiots of
type B"
that silicon valley was built upon is dead in
the water.
Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund,
this is completely development and marketing runway
mircea_popescu: there's no value in "ideas" and rebranding
them as "vision" won't wash.
mircea_popescu: Kamuela you know you're just calling it "vision"
to avoid saying "ceo is
the guy who wants money for nothing and
thinks
this wil wash"
Kamuela: CEO's contribute vision, investor and customer relations, executive decisions, accountability, etc. could all of
these
things be "in-sourced," sure, and
they are in a lot of cases
mircea_popescu: but anyway : specialisation is not a good
thing just for
the mere fact
that it's specialisation.
Kamuela: are you
the
type who
thinks
that
mircea_popescu: this being a recurring discussion
these days it seems.
mircea_popescu: im running counter
to some very particular, bad implementations of capitalism.
Kamuela: you just want it
to be
the build crew as well
Kamuela: are you anti-capitalist? seems like you're running counter
to specialization and
trade
mircea_popescu: if i wanted
to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu:
the coder doesn't want
to do
that.
the coder wants
to run a development shop
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, it wasn't "let me start it". it was "let
the coder start it, and run it"
mircea_popescu: only in a very distant sort of manner. not in
the
traditional sense
the
term is used.
Kamuela: if you're working with
them directly, doesn't
that make you CEO?
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you seriously just said
that?
TheNewDeal: how long does
that stuff
take
to ship ya
think?
nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do
that
nubbins`: otherwise you're paying
to ship a piece of glass across
the continent :D
nubbins`: framing it locally would be
the sensible option
mircea_popescu: half
the value of b-a is
taking
the entire layer of would-be ceos out of business completely, as
there's nothing really
they can usefully contribute.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal yeah. buy with a friend
to save on shipping ;D
mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development
team ready << well,
the
thing is
this : we;ve been wanting something like
this built for about a year. finding someone
to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with
the coder guy directly.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal:
totally. probably somewhere in
the $20-ish range as a guess
X-Rob: 1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is
the address
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going
to remind you about
that. Need
to figure out
the discount
though.
nubbins`: [00:13:41] <mircea_popescu> ok
this rocks.
TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't
the slightest clue about
this one
TomServo: nubbins`: Cool
thanks. I'll wait
to see it.
Kamuela: so if i found a way
to make
them shine i'd probably get farther along
nubbins`: price will probably be 40-45 once
they're all printed, signed, numbered, and pictures
taken
Kamuela: because my connections at differential and
the
team
there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's
nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing
them
this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of
the actual silkscreened version. pics
to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)
Kamuela: perhaps i'll have
to be my own silent partner
Kamuela: kakobrekla:
totally agreed
TomServo: nubbins`: Is
there a photo or sample of
the poster?
kakobrekla: Kamuela
that linkedin isnt much
to go by.
Duffer1: b-a are generally firm believers in
the Eddy Murphie method of help
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Kamuela: i don't mind
the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?"
that's a real question
that has
to be answered
punkman: you can help yourself by reading
teh logs
Kamuela: there's a real potential
to help me out in one way or another, but isn't it boring
to make words and contribute nothing?
punkman: Kamuela, I
think your plan is
to make it prettier and with more javascripts?
punkman: there's a few dozens of
them
Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about
the actual
total market, but just odesk
takes in $80mm
Kamuela: and how are
they going
to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will
they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't
think
they could do
that
Kamuela: meaning
there's a whole lot of inertia
to fight
to make
that happen
Kamuela: and odesk "just accepting Bitcoin" is a bigger deal with any real
thought
Kamuela: especially when you factor in
the fact
that a bunch of
the initial contractors are going
to underprice in an attempt
to gain customers,
there's a real value proposition
to a competing network
Kamuela: but after
that
there's a real competitive advantage
to 10% and a couple days
turn around
time and <10% and 1 hour
turnaround
Kamuela: the first couple
thousand users on a Bitcoin-powered odesk are going
to be BTC enthusiasts and folks looking
to play around, meaning a release valve for pent-up demand for use of coins, and of course a dedicated following of people who want
to
try
to make supplemental or full-time income doing btc freelance work
ThickAsThieves: "Cops found
this wanted Nebraska man after he posted his Ice Bucket Challenge on Facebook."
Kamuela: with inferior financial
technology
punkman: ThickAsThieves: it'd be nice if
there was someone playing matchmaker, vetting both sides, guaranteeing whatever he can afford
to
TomServo: First comment: Did you have
to fight
the urge
to call it a "pretty good post"?