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lobbes: oh, and
the whole "text running over
the sidebar" issue does indeed seem
local to my blog. My css is probably just borked
lobbes: ditto on
the
table width
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: She probably made
the North African and Indian population Facebook farms
their moderation derping out
to uncomfortable.
diana_coman: oh, I can guess: she... stood out.
Too much!
diana_coman: by now I start
thinking it would be a lot of fun
to write
this sort of
thing in purely religious
terms because it fits so well really.
nicoleci: diana_coman, yup. and
they went as far as blocking
the IP
diana_coman: basically
they ...excommunicated her ? lolz
mircea_popescu: also you should probably replace
the current <table> with a <table width=x"> where x is
the implicid content column width for
the blog, eg on
trilema 560
mircea_popescu: it can't stand as you have it atm,
the leftmost column
throughout
the
table.
mircea_popescu: of course dude gives me a very romanian "intellectual" vibe
tbh.
BingoBoingo: In other news, mebbe
this is
that same Buttcoin "sciencehatesyou" chick from back when expanding her rounds?
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's a concept from game
theory, mosty as an cybernetics application, because people writing programs
to power droid fights or whatever need
to put something in
the if statements, and
that something's better be a scalar.
this makes no particular sense besides serving
that need, and so it became a
tongue in cheek reference for "if one had
to assign arbitrary scalar values
to so and so
thing"
ave1: spyked, lobbes.
Thx!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-18 11:04:36 mircea_popescu: later
today ima put logs up
to 28th march 2016 on
trilema proper
then, should be fun.
spyked: dang, lobbes beat me
to it
spyked: ave1, afaik
the
term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where
the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since
the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here as "the most likely
to occur". but I'd be curious
to see a formal definition as well.
lobbes: ave1: expected value. Game
theory I believe
ave1: dorion,
thx! ev is not in
that list. (and so far ev
together with energy, equivalent or investment all come up empty)
ave1: and I
think
there was an update on
that list in 2018, but I'm simply not finding it....
mircea_popescu: later
today ima put logs up
to 28th march 2016 on
trilema proper
then, should be fun.
lobbes is off
to get some sleep. bbl
lobbes: There also appears
to be an issue with
the
line ordering in places, but I
think I know where
to look for
that
lobbes: I can already see
that
there are some odd formatting issues with
the loglines sometimes overlapping
the sidebar, but
that may just be caused by my own wp-mp install
lobbes: I'm going
to let it run during
the night and will hopefully wake up
to 4 years of #t logs in a blog. Feel free
to poke at it and lemme know if you'd like any
tweaks/edits
BingoBoingo: ^Time period
this particular pest operated is a bit interesting. August 2015 - November 2017...
mircea_popescu: i understand
the abstract appeal of, "look here, hash1=hash2". but what
this means is
things such as "it is not possible
to have a
timestamp. AT ALL." sure, in many cases
timestamps are abused / fucking stupid. but
this is not "many cases",
this is AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: but yes, getting an ever clearer grasp of
the shenanigans is central.
mircea_popescu: so imo
the only sane way
to approach
that sadness is by progressively limiting variance in binaries.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear
to me,
to
take
this as far in
theory as it goes,
that once we have a literal by-hand re-written compiler it'll be absolutely deterministic. at some point it becomes a question of "branch binaries by X or carry Y spare MB with each binary"
trinque: iirc ave1 was already going down
that path.
trinque: even a bit of analysis in
that direction would be super userful.
mircea_popescu: as
to fixed binary output...i expect
that'll
take a whole lot of doing,
there's mucho "intelligence" baked in even
that comparatively early gcc ver
trinque: 4.9.4's
the one used in cuntoo
mircea_popescu: ave1, probably some selection of
the build scripts is a good idea. even if we end up changing
them later, afaik for all
the hate nobody builds shit any other way atm
trinque: diana_coman: btw you'll notice items filling in at
trinque.org/src over
the course of
the day.
trinque: much, *much* more important
than cutting
those out is getting deterministic binary output.
trinque: ave1: I have zero use for anything other
than c, c++, ada.
ave1: As for current status, I have a big patch file
that works as part of
the build scripts. So
the genesis is feasible. I could also put
the build scripts (and other dependencies) in
the genesis but
this would need
to be discussed in light of
the OS setup.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 14:02:37 ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages
this has been 'before'. But it would help
to not carry around a number of mb in
the genesis.
diana_coman: fwiw I'd rather go with only c/cpp/ada in genesis and
then if someone else wants fortran/whatevers, let
them patch it on
top.
ave1: Come
to
think about it, it is probably better
to first estimate
the mbs and complexity involved before even contemplating
this question.
ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages
this has been 'before'. But it would help
to not carry around a number of mb in
the genesis.
mircea_popescu: i really don't see
the problem with
taking anything besides c/cpp/ada out
BingoBoingo: I don't expect GCC is even
the place folks would want
to run
these languages if
they were nintendo-izing, but I do wonder how much of a rats nest gcc is.
ave1: Good point, I don't know yet. I was
think
to remove
these before
the genesis as
the whole
thing ways in at 300mb or so. Plus, java and go don't even work as is.
BingoBoingo: ave1: Ah. Are
the languages separated enough
that an arrangement like ave1 signs a remove-java.vpatch and in
the odd case someone wants
to
turn
their system into a nintendo
they can do a nintendoist signs a dead end restore java.vpatch? Or are
the langs far
too intermingled for
these cuts
to be some clean.
ave1: O, and proposal for drop also had something
to do with 5 images in
there. I'll just drop
those,
the documentation can still be read without
these.
ave1: The version in gcc looks outdated. I can keep it for now, I agree
that dropping documentation is moving in
the wrong documentation (even if it is outdated)
ave1: and has been updated in
the meantime
ave1: mircea_popescu: I used
to do some work with Fortran, but not anymore so
that could go.
ave1: BingoBoingo: main candidates
to slash would be "go" and "java"
ave1: just
the number of files and space plus
that
the STL documention is everywhere and looks generated from something (i.e. mainly clean-up)
mircea_popescu: re documentation, it's an iffy proposition dropping any, seeing how little
there actually is ;
then again it's an iffy proposition keeping any, seeing how dubiously unreliable it can get. what's it bother as it stands ?
mircea_popescu: ave1, it seems
to me we probably want both c and c++ for systems reasons, portions of
the kernel /
toolset still are in c iirc ; and probably ada since we were doing work on it. fortran possibly not
BingoBoingo suspects it may be a bit early
to cut entire languages out, but...
this is not an area I'm very informed in.
ave1: Also, which languages
to keep? c/c++/fortran/ada?
ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue
to do so. But with feedback in
the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation
tree, can
this be dropped? (I would say yes)
ave1: I.e. for including / making it part of
the OS.
ave1: As
to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like
to work with
trinque et. al. on
this.
The problem here is limited
time, so my primary input can be information/communication at
this point.
ave1: I
tried
to make significant
time available all week, but failed. And
that's probably also
the problem. I first want
to have x hours available and
then
talk. Should go
the other way, first
talk
then just go with it.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ahahaha,
that's not hard at all; but good for him anyway,
thank you.
mircea_popescu will now go happily
to bed, having permanently ruined everyone's shit.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, im pleased
to report i buried your guy under enough material
to last him
the month lulz.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, I supect browser weird or page load/post interruption. Will probably switch out
the avatar.png for m actual face sometime by
the end of November
though.
mircea_popescu: they're not needed on
trilema,
the quotes ; but if used gotta be used correctly else it fucks up
the parser
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-15 18:37:16 mircea_popescu: and
today, i
turned
the remainder into ro style refried beans. which holy hell...