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The20YearIRCloud: But usually the sensationalist media takes the biggest/best one to start it off with
mircea_popescu: (in general your take is about the same as if publishing a book : about 5 to 10% after govt, agent, editor etc is done raping you)
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that was one coin out of 1400
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud how much did he get to buy beer for ?
The20YearIRCloud: Even in the mid 1700s the quality of gold coins ranged from 50% to 92.5%
asciilifeform: how much the crown took; how much - auctioneers
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on who minted them and the composition :D
asciilifeform: how much he kept from the 200 ?
assbot: Rare gold coins buried in California hit market; one fetches $15,000 - LA Times
decimation: there was this story last year: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-buried-california-gold-coins-auction-20140528-story.html
mircea_popescu: how much is this find worth in dollars ?
asciilifeform: when digging my garden (moved out of microscopic flat in late may, into a rented house) i found intact glass bottles, with caps on. appear to contain decades-old 'coca cola.'
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud here's an exercise for you. today you find in a yard 1k coins of 10 grams each, minted 1750.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: barrels of toxic waste?
The20YearIRCloud: and the thing is, for the most part the world is a big big place and GPR is very limited in what it can do
The20YearIRCloud: I don't know that they can be built, the costs were exorbant for non-military types
asciilifeform: decimation: the instrument in question is no military secret of any kind. contact a firm that lays pipes.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: yeah that's probably not a bad idea, radar would also find unpleasant surprises that are buried
asciilifeform: just like the other wretches stuck therein
asciilifeform: get out of the sticks << all of us in the sticks - are there for reasons.
The20YearIRCloud: Once in a while I get the chance to buy a un-touched estate - Kids have no interest or are out of state, a trustee locks the property up and you bid on the real estate + all contents
The20YearIRCloud: I keep looking for GPR so i can take it to properties/estates I buy out
mircea_popescu: dudes you gotta get out of the sticks, srsly.
asciilifeform: decimation: my particular one even mentioned failure of the vault locks.
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with 'mine detector' that every kid owns)
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: field day for the folks with ground-penetrating radar.
decimation: let me look at my terms... yep, it excludes fire, explosion, intense heat, smoke, water (including fire suppression system) building collapse, terrorism, war, intentional destructive acts, or failures of electrical, mechanical, plumbing or structural systems, or for actions caused by any person
The20YearIRCloud: Around here, most use coffee cans buried. Now you can go to a store and get a "underground safe"
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: them.
mircea_popescu: everyone wants to be paid a rent for existing
mircea_popescu: basically, it's the living wage embodied.
asciilifeform: upon reading of that contract, i came to inescapable conclusion that the box thing is an active chump-magnet rather than simply a poor deal.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me it's time to go down on sam's club for acting like a bank w/o a license.
mircea_popescu: seeing how supermarkets also offer lockable containers on the same premise as banks do
mircea_popescu: fire seems the only reason left :p
asciilifeform: i can hardly picture a dumber hiding place then a container in a public place with your name on it.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls << well their government kinda depends on this principle, so if it';s good enough for the king...
decimation: in which case the courts will hand whatever valubles to the woman, 'to support the children'
asciilifeform: divorce << probably the worst possible use of a bank box in usa. other tidbit in the contract was that the bank will immediately impound any box against whose owner there are civil proceedings
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire << divorce.
asciilifeform: decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls
decimation: re: gult's gulch << I find it amusing that folks who supposedly value 'self-reliance' and 'liberty' are unable to actually fly to chile and buy some land for themselves, it can't be that hard for a person with means & brains
decimation: heh yeah agreed, especially if the 'value' of those items was simply the information on the documents
asciilifeform: implication, to me, was - if you're happy with the box, take your goodies and post them straight to the enemy - at least then you'll know where they are.
decimation: well I think those terms are 'aspirational' - it goes to the arbitration conversation from a few weeks ago. everyone wants a click-wrap eula that holds them immune from any liability
asciilifeform: decimation: esp. since the one and only event that could reasonably be insured against - contents present at logged date N and absent on opening N+k - wasn't.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire
asciilifeform: decimation: the point of the bank box story is that it was entirely unclear to me wtf is the very point of such a thing, given the caveats
decimation: I'm thinking of the mongols' advantage over the static empires of the east
mircea_popescu: (look at what happened when people thought the church is a people, started donating a little to it and inadvertently created the largest landholder because unlike them, thge church didn;t die regularly)
mircea_popescu: decimation it's complicated, but in general property is the bane of human existence, so any absolute property has the potential to be absolutely murderous.
asciilifeform: drowning a box of strange in the atlantic is a considerably quieter operation than launching a rocket, however. so perhaps it wins.
decimation: re:safe deposit box, my understanding is that these are the terms all banks in the us give for such things
asciilifeform: i did tally up the cost, but the first anything naturally - expensive.
decimation: re: allodial title: I suppose with reference to how it was practiced in medieval England, the king's agents could be on your property on business which has the mutual consent of the king and his lords
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mircea_popescu: not easy evaluating what such things cost.
asciilifeform: sea capsule is just a gedankenexperiment (though, i'm told, u.s. navy has insisted on actually trying.) i'm not altogether convinced that, properly carried out, it is cheaper than 'graveyard orbit'
asciilifeform: yes. but those have engines, men, cost more.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the nuclear subs are anyway.
asciilifeform: (free up the men normally guarding for other pursuits; replace with king neptune, who can't be bribed and doesn't sleep)
asciilifeform: hence the sea capsule example. for some classes of object (nuke?) this might be cost-effective storage.
asciilifeform: hold territory - sure. impale enemies - yes. bury treasure - why ?
mircea_popescu: and people who like to live have enough sense to understand this difference.
mircea_popescu: because the fetish of value is not value
asciilifeform: but notice that active players in a war rarely occupy themselves with hiding valuables
mircea_popescu: if you don't like living, you can't be paid to live.
mircea_popescu: and it links quite well into "what would the devil have to pay you for you to love him".
mircea_popescu: in it. This can’t be delegated, it’s a personal thing. Like citizenship. Like nationality. The only nation immune to the fate of Rhodesia is a nation of that kind of people, living in that kind of world.
mircea_popescu: There isn’t, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. If you’re not prepared and absolutely willing to spend any amount of time up to the entire rest of your life seeking out and butchering leeches with only the satifaction of well applied, excruciating cruelty as your reward, you’re not made for this world and you won’t long have a place
asciilifeform: if like war - straight to war.
assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away << this argument is flawed in the following way : for he who is repulsed by war, this holds true. for he who however enjoys war, no payment is necessary.
mircea_popescu: (you wouldn't be able to arrest anyone, but you would be able to void any application for a warrant)
mircea_popescu: decimation: The20YearIRCloud: When I say "allodial title" I mean something like having the right to arrest anyone - including government employees - on your property << that';s maybe going a little far. but the right to quash any action of anyone involving that land is germane.
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mircea_popescu: "your negative rating in the wot means you can be killed by anyone and nobody'll care or do anything about it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will probably come down to "you're not in the wot, and so therefore may not claim to own property or pretend to sue anyone"
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asciilifeform: seems like we've this one nailed down. now, implementation... 'exercise for alert reader.'
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the zero one infinity rule alone, and of the banal observation that bitcoin also has no historical precendent, it seems... unwise to bet that 1 is the lucky number.
asciilifeform: led by the smartest people ever << aye. witness that there are 'ukrainians' alive.
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : everything that has historical precendent now didn't originally.
mircea_popescu: it was on display earlier in this very chan.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the "no historical precedent" is what the bureaucrat instinctively answers
asciilifeform: that's who most of the muppets in question are
mircea_popescu: ussr isn't remembered for having been led by the smartest people ever.
asciilifeform: ussr, for instance, did no such thing when germany lost.
asciilifeform: if this happens - it'll be a historic first, afaik.
mircea_popescu: no questions asked, and his children will be raped for the public record.
mircea_popescu: and which is why it's so important to get the message loud and clear to any bureaucrat anywhere, that if it comes to war, and we win, he will hang.
asciilifeform: there are folks (in usa) working on this variant as we speak. the ones that succeed and aren't provocateur shills - we'll know because none of them are on the net.
mircea_popescu: overall, these would be "softeners" work as hardeners and are quite useful.
mircea_popescu: which is the point of a "justice system" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so, some may try to soften the target, which allows the target to populate the road towards it with heads on pikes.
mircea_popescu: any supermodel material chick will tell you nobody dares, on the assumption.