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decimation: When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html
BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: (they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there)
mircea_popescu: well they had these bed-parties
decimation: the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something?
mircea_popescu: and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names!
mircea_popescu: the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it,
mircea_popescu: he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly.
decimation: I only know of Cato the Elder
asciilifeform: and this, with 'world's best armour' etc.
asciilifeform: other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road.
mircea_popescu: decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ?
mircea_popescu: decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it.
asciilifeform: they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride.
decimation: the mtbf numbers are all theoretical
mircea_popescu: these can't both be the case.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
decimation: supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse.
asciilifeform: u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
mircea_popescu: said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards.
decimation: Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains)
decimation: as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours
mircea_popescu: if i were president i'd just walk there.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England
mircea_popescu: <decimation> and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite.
asciilifeform: american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year.
asciilifeform: people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years
decimation: hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."
asciilifeform: don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory.
decimation: and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part
decimation: it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane'
asciilifeform: this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time.
asciilifeform: the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty?
decimation: but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air
decimation: which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice
asciilifeform: city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc.
asciilifeform: these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like.
asciilifeform: re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place.
decimation: hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal
asciilifeform: handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand.
asciilifeform gives up on trying to describe it because it was not attributable to any familiar object like shit, piss, food, carbol, etc.
asciilifeform: this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house.
decimation: no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits
asciilifeform: decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of
mircea_popescu: supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem.
asciilifeform: as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell.
asciilifeform: ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense
decimation: usually a bad one if they had pets
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered
asciilifeform recalls thread on hanbot's site re: smelling of books & shudders
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand
decimation: nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper?
nubbins`: pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs
assbot: Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | delawareonline.com
decimation: heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash
BingoBoingo: Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper.
mircea_popescu: no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe!
nubbins`: ah, care to direct me a bit more than that?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in.
nubbins`: nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2
decimation: the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught.
mircea_popescu: (such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.)
BingoBoingo: Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him
mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation
decimation: Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'
mircea_popescu: for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees.
BingoBoingo: Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat
mircea_popescu: (he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too)
mircea_popescu: doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ?
mircea_popescu: this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were.
mircea_popescu: i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street.
decimation: I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome?
mircea_popescu: ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for.
mircea_popescu: which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ?
mircea_popescu: hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ...
mircea_popescu: but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up
decimation: I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a large topic.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I don't remember if I ever knew. You just kind of tune someone out after that.
decimation: BingoBoingo: what was your classmate's theory on the Observer who animates the cosmos?
BingoBoingo: The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist
decimation: In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that?
mircea_popescu: in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,.
mircea_popescu: what gave it away and what made you think that in teh first place
mircea_popescu: the other thing is a convention, the result of nothing but spuriousness.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation.
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107351 << this may be of some general interest.
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid.
TheNewDeal: for instance if you looked at computer code you could ask. What does it accomplish (what is it's function?)? and How did it go about doing that (in what form?)?
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff