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BingoBoingo: Systemd distros can go back
to
the jungle and fuck chimps.
mircea_popescu: 19. Myth: systemd forces you
to do something. systemd is not
the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and
that includes not using it.
That's pretty much
the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok,
that's about
the most disingenuous
thing i read
today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!
BingoBoingo: per <Luke-Jr> even I
think systemd is crap
BingoBoingo: The point is
that
to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all
BingoBoingo: Now
though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance
BingoBoingo: Now if GNU Hurd was a useful
thing in 1991... systemd might be a
thing.
BingoBoingo: Look,
the way Bitcoin regulation works is my
TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said
the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it
time
to stew, but
that's
the fina word.
mircea_popescu: tyvm but i don't enjoy listening
to liars
that are
THAT BAD at it.
BingoBoingo: I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out
their wetware?
mircea_popescu: i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on
the grounds of
the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.
BingoBoingo: And
then a single molecule of ETOH opens
the cholirde channel
too wide, death.
BingoBoingo: Introduce something other
than a benzodiazepine
though...
BingoBoingo: And no drug
that specifically
targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose
pankkake: he actually refered
to what it was easier
to learn
BingoBoingo: A large number of drugs specifically
target GABA A
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it's easier
to understand "For most people" ? like easier
than what, like easier
than it was for
that stupid broad whatever her name was
to understand
that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her
tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ?
Azelphur: Everyone is
talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about.
Luke-Jr: even I
think systemd is crap
mircea_popescu: and declarative by nature.
That all said, if you are experienced in shell,
then yes, adopting systemd will
take a bit of learning."
mircea_popescu: "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like
to believe
that it is actually simpler
to understand systemd
than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say
that? Well, as it
turns out, Shell is not a pretty language
to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier
to understand,
they do not expose a programming language, but are simple
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now
this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs?
mircea_popescu: Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always
took
the system apart if it needed more
than a second.
mircea_popescu: "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now
this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.
BingoBoingo: There are reasons when people persent
to me
that
they use or recommend gnome I suppose
they are surrounde with
the
tools of 2003
assbot: In supersecret cyberwar game, civilian-sector
techies pummel active-duty cyberwarriors | Army
Times | armytimes.com
mircea_popescu: it's clearly being pushed, and
that will make people with a working head suspicious
these days.
mircea_popescu: pankkake and in spite of
the
technical angle, what stinks
to high heavens
to me is
the political angle. so gnome decides
to not be dependent on systemd in 2012,
then in 2013
they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?
BingoBoingo: Is
the melodic
theme from
the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough
to
think I can play
that on my euphonium
BingoBoingo: Pianowire if you
tell me it is a bowtie is not fine
mircea_popescu: pankkake but listen, openrc isn't
trying
to
take over my computer.
pankkake: I suppose you guys are using HAL
too
pankkake: nevermind
that's it's widely more usable
pankkake: I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is
that evil
too?
mircea_popescu: if
the computer is
the shirt, and initd is a
tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying
that it's not as easy
to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition
that
ties can get stained
too. sure,
they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because
the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow
that
mircea_popescu: pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal
to scripted/binary.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason
to steal its knobs
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone seen
these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from
the front all around
to
two inches over her
tailbone ?
kakobrekla: dude im
trolling from my bed, give me some slack
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And
the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much!
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know i don't got a call on
the
topic. so
they're complicated, yes. no argument
there.
pankkake: existing init systems are complicated
too
kakobrekla: if you are sheep, act as
the master wants.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo
the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh
their unknown interlocutor from across
the seas.
Azelphur: but
then,
those are usually
the
type of people who are overly sensitive anyway
Azelphur: kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had
trouble walking
the
trying
to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always
trying
to help, but sometimes people don't see it
that way.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
This
talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old
trilems!
mircea_popescu: putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in
the core of
the system init process isn't
technical ?
kakobrekla: <Azelphur> mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses,
turned up at 9am in
the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't
think I could have been more perfect if I
tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff.
pankkake: just list a valid
technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said,
the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
That's an awfully chewy
Trilema article
mircea_popescu: pankkake you gonna
tell me what
the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and
then come stab me 119
times in
the middle of
the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?
RagnarDanneskjol: ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back
to you latr
today
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is
that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD
Azelphur: onsite but
their office is only like 30m public
transport from me
RagnarDanneskjol: hold
them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote?
Azelphur: but we resolved
that
to some degree
Azelphur: I grumbled at
them about
the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol
that's an underutilized resource if
there was one.
the kid is bright.
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool,
the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed
to be starting at IonCube on Monday
RagnarDanneskjol: I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want
to hire you. will email later
today or
tomorrow
Azelphur: pankkake: yea,
there are a few
Azelphur: tbh all I really want from a job is enough
to put a small amount away into BTC every month,
then I can retire before
too long :P
Azelphur: pay isn't
too great but at least it's a start :)
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I got
this offer from ionCube anyway
that I'm probably gonna
take
Azelphur: and just wanted me
there because
the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I
think
they aren't looking
to hire people
tbh :)
mircea_popescu: Azelphur have you
tried asking
them if
they're gonna give you stock options ? :D
Azelphur: I even solved
the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When MpU is a
thing, I'll keep your books from rotting
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses,
turned up at 9am in
the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't
think I could have been more perfect if I
tried :P
BingoBoingo: If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with
the
truth
that no one hires librarians.
mircea_popescu: think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your
ticket
to come over,
that's a job interview.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu:
that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not
the greatest but it'll do for now
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can't impress
these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days...
mircea_popescu: and
they got really excited with you, and paid for your
trip over
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: oh, no,
the
tl;dr is
that dropbox was annoying me so I switched
to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean, you going
to work for
this owncloud
thing
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You mentioned
the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a
TI-89 you can convert him
to saner options
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I haven't really
touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now
BingoBoingo: I mean you can't do worse
than Apple at least
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume
to make a "cloud" I'd like?
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Dunno
the name, but ur mom's prolly older
than it.