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mircea_popescu: romanian law is quite permissive : if he can't pay and has no income, you can convict the guy to community service.
mircea_popescu: all the bums owed massive fines for all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i guess you could always step a homeless guy << fun fact : police in timisoara started getting bonuses by total fine volume. total fine volume went up. total fine arrears went way up. city hall in hot water over it, turns out...
jurov: <smooth> that's a good margin actualy
jurov: <jurov> yea i spend 1.5euro/day to make 0.15 let's scale it up!
asciilifeform: what better than to saw it open and reverse at one's leisure.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you can try 1,000 variants until works. << you can buy one and try safely.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted << there's really no prosecution. i've had fake bills in the common course of business multiple times all over. it happens.
cazalla: i guess you could always step a homeless guy through it and pay him for his time, handprint, ID etc
jurov: yes, but camera is not in the front of face
mircea_popescu: <jurov> til << this is the case in slovakia too. look around.
cazalla: why would you want cash though?
jurov: but do they exchange btc for cash? i doubt that, i think owner has to bring the cash to bank and wire them
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all <<< looks like it.
jurov: they are not that foolhardy
cazalla: well they provide the liquidity from exchanges compared to say a lamassu where the owner provides the coins and it can go empty
asciilifeform: wait - they actually franchise these ?
cazalla: what's to stop you buying a robocoin, print up some fakes and start draining the machine seeing you're not the one providing the bitcoins it dispenses?
asciilifeform: the machines will be blamed for every faux benjamin that turns up, wherever.
asciilifeform: which is one more reason why mircea_popescu's prediction from earlier (that the 'saecular authorities' will not molest those who plunder or destroy btc atms) is likely to come true.
asciilifeform: unless i somehow misunderstand, btc atm that eats usd removes all of the element of risk from counterfeiting
cazalla: apparently it's like half the revenue from memory
cazalla: what they do here to clean the money is feed it in, have a couple spins, withdraw it from machine and it's deemed a win then
asciilifeform: likewise, with casino, cheat has two basic options - win a little, but have to return many times - or win gigantic barrels, but then intense scrutiny.
asciilifeform: and his path from the door, to machines, etc. and then out, and possibly to his car - all recorded.
asciilifeform: cazalla: a casino is an example of a controlled environment. no one comes remotely near a machine - a door, hell, a toilet - without being filmed from several angles
cazalla: i wonder if fakes get fed into the machines or if companies like aristocrat have great detection?
cazalla: gaming machines are used in au to launder hundreds of millions apparently
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? << Not ATM at the casino, gambling machines
jurov: and the other way around
jurov: yes. and this btm accepts bills and spits out a slip with btc address or such
TheNewDeal: not sure how the guy was depositing bills. Maybe it spit out casino chips or something?
TheNewDeal: If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from?
asciilifeform: caught, as one expects, the old-fashioned way - spotted by guard.
asciilifeform: you can try 1,000 variants until works.
TheNewDeal: I would most definitely agree that
asciilifeform: machine will accept or reject, but is unlikely to be programmed to rat you out (false alarms, terrible pr) and even if it were - has only a scarce idea who 'you' are (wearing your robber's mask.)
asciilifeform: it is considerably safer to experiment on the machine than on your local bank teller or other live set of eyes.
TheNewDeal: this is true, I haven't looked into it
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: let's suppose you have no idea how the machine works
TheNewDeal: would like to see more backup on this
TheNewDeal: I'm still surprised that you say it's easier to fake a machine than a person
jurov: well, i suppose they're fachidiots
asciilifeform: but picture if you were a counterfeiter - could you even wish for a better place to make use of the fakes ?
jurov: TheNewDeal: they told him everyone will try to fool the machine
asciilifeform: right now, btc atm, as i understand, is scarce enough - and likewise scarce are the counterfeiters - that they have not yet met in 'true love' match.
jurov: well, the same was said to my fellow lamassu owner someone will put colored bills from burglared ATM in, etc.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: likewise, if you give a sham benjamin to a living person, he might cry out for help before you can run off.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: the bar is considerably lower for fooling a machine. (until recently, the readers in american vending machines did not even contain colour cameras.)
asciilifeform: jurov: this is why scammers, thieves, etc. put on mask.
asciilifeform: jurov: there's traditionally a camera on u.s. atms.
jurov: do i see right the camera on top of that bitcoin-teller-machine ?
TheNewDeal: Although I think if you could produce that quality of a bill, you most likely wouldn't have a problem giving it out to others (non btc atm owners)
TheNewDeal: so the idea is to try and forge a benjamin and get a real currency in return?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: machine, in theory, pisses out btc when you insert usd ?
asciilifeform: btc atm... 'Cash in and cash out' << clearly funded by u.s. mint, where they'd like to learn what the state of the art in fooling automated benjamin testers is.
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ThickAsThieves: must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all
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ThickAsThieves: which is probly also these guys https://cryptocapital.co/
ThickAsThieves: so this 1btcxe challenge is by CFIG, which is Havelock?
assbot: Ok who's gonna be the first to put several Apple watches on his penis and make a teledildonics app?
asciilifeform: approximately - this.
mircea_popescu: it'd be "please cut off your clit, put it in a sushi roll and mail it to me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nsa were a girl, it wouldn't be asking for nudies, nor for a fuck, nor for a blowjob during superball, in the parking lot.
asciilifeform: if nsa were girl... 'suite a' would be - the whole orchestra. or not even sure what.
artifexd: I don't want anybody to feel bad. If I lose the 2btc it is not going to come close to affecting my net worth at all. As tat says, the risk/reward seems about right.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: one can see why riga's popular with the british stag parties, russian biznessmen, and german tourists
mircea_popescu: "dear nsa. please give me cookies. ty."
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture << all true.
asciilifeform: mega-lol. might as well sue to get official naked picture of the fuhrer.
pete_dushenski: in the logs, it reads like a fisherman toying with his catch before gutting him
pete_dushenski: some people actually give weight to your words ;)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well maybe you'll be more careful next time
pete_dushenski: there's some of the most interesting residential architecture i've seen anywhere there
pete_dushenski: jurmala (not your mama) is just 20km west and is the wealthy beach resort/bedroom community for riga, also well worth a visit
pete_dushenski: definitely a few days worth of exploring to do here
pete_dushenski: artifexd:^ There's my bet << so giving to teh community, this guy
pete_dushenski: that'd be incredible if hashrate went to sub-200k and stayed there for the next 5 days
pete_dushenski: twas nice of mircea_popescu to (seemingly unintentionally) trick artifexd into contributing to the 31bn diff fund.
ThickAsThieves: i tried to get nanotube to change how gribble does diff, but he's happy as it is
ThickAsThieves: but yeah, a tight one...
ThickAsThieves: artifexd, it's not the worst risk/reward
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: after the wall came down, it's like a new country!
ThickAsThieves: <+pete_dushenski> labvakar (good evening) from riga! /// they have internet there?
artifexd: bitcoinwisdom certainly paints a picture of "I be a fool". In their whole history of difficulty increases, there have never been two consecutive difficulty increases that added up to less than 12%.
ThickAsThieves: i believe nubbins has done such explicitly by creating the bet he needed
ThickAsThieves: it's not just betting (we tell ourselves)
ben_vulpes: call me a poorfag, but i don't get the risk.
ThickAsThieves: i think what happened was i looked at it several times thinking, nah, no way it gets that high, and then feeling my brain pump chemical memories of when i bet against diff before and lost 50btc, so i abstained
mircea_popescu: you boys be getting complacent ? BingoBoingo said the same thing
ThickAsThieves: shit i didnt realize i never placed a bet on that one
mircea_popescu: !up tryphe
ThickAsThieves: use that
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artifexd: ^ There's my bet
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mircea_popescu: pity they couldn't make social media sites out of it back them
mircea_popescu: o look at that, apparently it's civil war for bad bandage
asciilifeform: well, there's recycled and recycled.